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 Post subject: Question for Swiss- Itemizing the dumbfuckery of Mike Tomlin
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Haven't posted in long time but I remember Swiss had compiled a nice list enumerating the idiocy of Mike Tomlin's decisions since 2007. Obviously the list has grown with the years. If Swiss or someone could point me in right direction to find it I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Question for Swiss- Itemizing the dumbfuckery of Mike To
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Ask and you shall receive, Redman....and yes, these moments are only from three years into the Tomlin reign....through the '09 season. The one on Cowher, which I'll post if you want, is a complete history:

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MIKE TOMLIN: BONEHEAD MOMENTS

Tiny by swissvale72 on Jul 13, 2010 4:47 PM EDT Comment 75 comments
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...nehead-moments

Lest it be thought that those that actually wear the uniforms of the Pittsburgh Steelers have a monopoly on bone-headedness insofar as the fortunes of the Black & Gold, let’s review the three-year tenure of Head Coach Mike Tomlin.

As we all know, Coach T is now the beneficiary of a three-year contract extension, at an as yet undetermined price. I don’t think that anyone’s really surprised. Even with the option year of 2011, would the Steelers have allowed their young Head Coach to be in the position of a semi-lame duck this year, a situation that’s perhaps lamer than your traditional lame duck circumstance? And certainly, things would have never progressed, or regressed, to the point of Tomlin entering 2011 as a definitive lame duck. It’s not the Steeler Way.

Some may note that Tomlin’s predecessor, Bill Cowher, was permitted to enter the final year of his deal, and thus argue that the situations are identical. Not so fast! Cowher’s situation was never about ownership not wanting him to continue, but rather about not offering enough dough, specifically not more coin than The Walrus, Mike Holmgren, who Cowher defeated in Super Bowl XL, was making in the Pacific Northwest. So, for The Chin, it was off to Carolina, with Mrs. Cowher having a head start, and Cowher took up residency as a turncoat, operating the siren with an ear-to-ear grin for the NHL’s Carolina Hurricanes, even as they faced his hometown Penguins.

I’ve not much issue with the Tomlin extension; it was inevitable. It’s an opportune time though to review his moments of bone-headedness, as there have been useful examples from every one of this three seasons.
[HIGH-LIGHT]
*3rd & effin' 6:[/HIGH-LIGHT]
I’ve written about this recently. Tomlin was a Bonehead twice over during the ’07 Wild Card matchup vs. Jacksonville at Heinz Field. In some circles, he’s guilty of three transgressions in one night. One could argue both sides of Tomlin “chasing points” approaching midway through the 4th quarter and seeking to narrow a 28-23 deficit to three points by going for two. But in a moment of bone-headedness for the ages, Tomlin persisted in going for the deuce even when backed up to the 12-yard line via penalty. His explanation post-game, “I play to win, Baby!” This Tomlinism, a preview of priceless quotes to come as the years progressed, was then contradicted by 3rd & effin' 6.

The Steelers had taken a 29-28 lead, had the ball 3rd & 6 on their own 26 yard-line, had a quarterback that while gimpy-ankled, had lit up the joint through the air in the second half, leading his team to three 4th quarter touchdowns, had a running game that couldn’t crack the 50-yard rushing mark on the night. After a stoppage of play, in which Tomlin had plenty of time to weigh in on the play-call with Offensive Coordinator Bruce Arians, the Steelers elected to run their gimpy-ankled QB wide, where he gained but a yard. The Steelers punted, Jacksonville down a single point, drove and kicked a field goal, and the Steelers’ season was over.
Gaining a first down and then exhausting the remainder of the clock was vital, in a situation where a field goal beats you. Tomlin either endorsed the OC’s play-call, or he stood there, like a potted plant, and did nothing.
[HIGH-LIGHT]
But, “I play to win, Baby!” Baloney!![/HIGH-LIGHT]

*The Spike:
Tomlin learned from this moment of bone-headedness, so we’ll give him a pass on this, and his educability results in my not having major issues with the contract extension. Steelers trailing in Baltimore, 9-6, in the ’08 season’s biggest game, pick up a first down at the Baltimore 4-yard line with a full minute remaining, and with a timeout in their pocket, spike the ball to stop the clock. A second down pass fell incomplete, leaving third down in which to affect a game-winner, otherwise the game would likely head for overtime. The 3rd down pass to Santonio Holmes was initially ruled to have been caught inches short of the end zone, and it looked as though it was decision time for Mike Tomlin, go for the win on 4th down, or kick the game-tying field goal. Fortunately, Tomlin was spared needing to make a choice by an instant replay reversal, and the Steelers were winners.

In Super Bowl XLIII, faced with nearly the exact same situation, Tomlin wisely expended his final timeout with 49 seconds remaining and the ball on the six-yard line, keeping every bullet, in the form of remaining plays, in his arsenal. We know what happened next

The ’09 season, Tomlin’s only non-playoff year, was also Coach Tomlin’s peak in terms of bone-headedness. We offer three bonehead calls made by the head coach, in consecutive weeks:

[HIGH-LIGHT]*Mewelde:[/HIGH-LIGHT]
Once again, was Mike Tomlin a potted plant, ceding control of his football team to his OC? On the cusp of field goal range in overtime, in Kansas City, Steelers give the ball to their slowest back and run him wide. Predictably, he loses yardage, the Steelers punt, and never see the ball again in a loss to the lowly Chefs.

*Put him on the freakin’ edge:
Going into Baltimore on Sunday Night, sans Ben Roethlisberger, the Steelers place substitute quarterback Dennis Dixon, he being fleet afoot, on the edge twice all night. The result? Dixon throws for one score, and runs for another. Queried as to why he didn’t put Dixon in this favored position more often, particularly in overtime, CoachTomlin, not saying “I play to win, Baby!” this time, opines as to the possibility of injury, in which case the unprepared Tyler Palko would have entered the game. Mike!! It’s overtime!! You’re on the 50. It’s 3rd & 5. A first down and you’re just about in field goal range with a chance to bury your divisional rival. Put him on the freakin’ edge!!
[HIGH-LIGHT]
*Skippy’s History:[/HIGH-LIGHT]
Tomlin’s on a roll; for the 3rd week in a row, a coaching decision will cost his team the game. Leading the bedraggled Oakland Raiders by a score of 10-6 in an unexpectedly closely contested game, the Steelers are in field goal range at the Oakland 25 when a 3rd down sack knocks them back. After first letting the 3rd quarter expire, Tomlin sends Jeff Reed on to attempt a 53-yard field goal. Reed misses, and the floodgates are opened. Soon thereafter, the Raiders score their first of three fourth-quarter touchdowns, and the Steelers suffer another terrible loss. Tomlin, explaining his decision to attempt the field goal, cites Skippy’s “history” as his rationale for attempting the long kick. Hmmm…..what history is that, Coach? Would that be the kicker’s history of never having made a field goal from that distance in that venue? No worries, though. Pregame, Tomlin had promised to “unleash hell” for the remainder of the season.


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 Post subject: Re: Question for Swiss- Itemizing the dumbfuckery of Mike To
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Thanks Swiss! This is great. Hope you eventually have time to update with the last 7 years someday


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In before somebody compares Tomlin to Chuck Noll.


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The telegraphed fake FG against Seattle and the "timeout was worth 36 seconds" decision against Cincinnati last year top almost everything on Swiss' old list.

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Swiss- Itemizing the dumbfuckery of Mike To
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Jeemie wrote:
The telegraphed fake FG against Seattle and the "timeout was worth 36 seconds" decision against Cincinnati last year top almost everything on Swiss' old list.




Tomlin stating that he was ok with our offensive ineptitude for 3.5 qtrs. vs the ravens is way way up there too.


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GreekSteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
The telegraphed fake FG against Seattle and the "timeout was worth 36 seconds" decision against Cincinnati last year top almost everything on Swiss' old list.




Tomlin stating that he was ok with our offensive ineptitude for 3.5 qtrs. vs the ravens is way way up there too.


Please, he said he was "comfortable."

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Swiss- Itemizing the dumbfuckery of Mike To
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BarryFoster wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
The telegraphed fake FG against Seattle and the "timeout was worth 36 seconds" decision against Cincinnati last year top almost everything on Swiss' old list.




Tomlin stating that he was ok with our offensive ineptitude for 3.5 qtrs. vs the ravens is way way up there too.


Please, he said he was "comfortable."




Thanks for the correction Barry. It was indeed "comfortable"


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 Post subject: Re: Question for Swiss- Itemizing the dumbfuckery of Mike To
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SP wrote:
In before somebody compares Tomlin to Chuck Noll.


Well, that decision at the end of SB X was far from Noll's greatest moment, IMO.

Granted, Bobby Walden BLEW and I think he was afraid of a blocked punt more than anything else, but to go for it on fourth down at nearly midfield, well, it worked out (because of an awesome defense), but I still look back on that with amazement.

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JackSplat58 wrote:
SP wrote:
In before somebody compares Tomlin to Chuck Noll.


Well, that decision at the end of SB X was far from Noll's greatest moment, IMO.

Granted, Bobby Walden BLEW and I think he was afraid of a blocked punt more than anything else, but to go for it on fourth down at nearly midfield, well, it worked out (because of an awesome defense), but I still look back on that with amazement.



I do, too, Splat.....and let's remember, that game ended with a Cowboys pass into the end zone, if complete, Steelers lose the Super Bowl.


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swissvale72 wrote:
JackSplat58 wrote:
SP wrote:
In before somebody compares Tomlin to Chuck Noll.


Well, that decision at the end of SB X was far from Noll's greatest moment, IMO.

Granted, Bobby Walden BLEW and I think he was afraid of a blocked punt more than anything else, but to go for it on fourth down at nearly midfield, well, it worked out (because of an awesome defense), but I still look back on that with amazement.



I do, too, Splat.....and let's remember, that game ended with a Cowboys pass into the end zone, if complete, Steelers lose the Super Bowl.


I was far more nervous at the end of SB X than I was on the final drive of SB XLIII. All I could think about was the Staubach Hail Mary to beat the Vikings in the divisional playoff game. I think Roger launched three bombs (or was it two?) at the end of the game. Thank God Glen Edwards intercepted that last one.


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BarryFoster wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
The telegraphed fake FG against Seattle and the "timeout was worth 36 seconds" decision against Cincinnati last year top almost everything on Swiss' old list.




Tomlin stating that he was ok with our offensive ineptitude for 3.5 qtrs. vs the ravens is way way up there too.


Please, he said he was "comfortable."

And I'm sure he wasn't saying he was comfortable with offensive ineptitude. He was probably saying he was comfortable that they could still win the game.

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BarryFoster wrote:
Please, he said he was "comfortable."


"Comfortable" like a fresh, clean pair of depends.

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i remember 3rd-and-6 but don't have the photographic memory for Steelers football that most of you guys do, so i didn't recall the 2pt conversion from the 12yd line

jesus christ is that indefensible

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Swiss- Itemizing the dumbfuckery of Mike To
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swissvale72 wrote:
JackSplat58 wrote:
SP wrote:
In before somebody compares Tomlin to Chuck Noll.


Well, that decision at the end of SB X was far from Noll's greatest moment, IMO.

Granted, Bobby Walden BLEW and I think he was afraid of a blocked punt more than anything else, but to go for it on fourth down at nearly midfield, well, it worked out (because of an awesome defense), but I still look back on that with amazement.



I do, too, Splat.....and let's remember, that game ended with a Cowboys pass into the end zone, if complete, Steelers lose the Super Bowl.

Wasn't that last pass a tipped pass that Glen Edwards caught in the end zone?

Also, when you think back on the defensive backs on that team - incredible! Their back ups could be starters in the NFL. That quality depth in the secondary continued through the late Noll years and even into the Cowher years. I think it is scheme as well as acquisition, but the quality in our secondary has diminished enormously under Tomlin/Colbert.


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The only dumbfuckery is those who think Tomlin has any chance of being fired.

He is in talks to be extended again...His current contract runs out after 2018...Soon it will be 2021.

For those who think Tomlin has any chance of being fired...Save your time grab some lube find some porn and do something a little more productive with your time.

ZERO CHANCE Tomlin is fired anytime soon...Most of you will be collecting social security before he is gone

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The only dumbfuckery is those who think Tomlin has any chance of being fired.

He is in talks to be extended again...His current contract runs out after 2018...Soon it will be 2021.

For those who think Tomlin has any chance of being fired...Save your time grab some lube find some porn and do something a little more productive with your time.

ZERO CHANCE Tomlin is fired anytime soon...Most of you will be collecting social security before he is gone


I think everyone knows this...hence the frustration.

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The problem is the lack of elite coaches currently in the NFL.

Belicheck.

The best of the rest.

Sorry to say it Tomlin is near/ at the top of most realistic lists

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The problem is the lack of elite coaches currently in the NFL.

Belicheck.

The best of the rest.

Sorry to say it Tomlin is near/ at the top of most realistic lists


Indeed. The question is whether it's worth the risk of trying to turn your 9/10 win wildcard team franchise into a 12 win first round bye type of franchise by making the change.

I believe that the odds are equal that replacing Tomlin gets you A) same results B) worse results C) better results

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I would say it's 50% that you'd get worse results. At least. I would say that even if I believed Tomlin were only a decent coach.

Imagine this team with Todd Haley coaching it. Or Rex Ryan. Or John Fox. Or BOB.

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I would say it's 50% that you'd get worse results. At least. I would say that even if I believed Tomlin were only a decent coach.

Imagine this team with Todd Haley coaching it. Or Rex Ryan. Or John Fox. Or BOB.


One of the best 5 jobs in all of football. No need to hire a known dipshit.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Imagine this team with Todd Haley coaching it. Or Rex Ryan. Or John Fox. Or BOB.


Odd list to choose.

1 of them is on tomlin's staff.
2 of them currently have the same record as Mike Tomlin...and of those 2 + Tomlin, only one of them has a qb in the class of Ben Roethlisberger.
1 of them beat Mike Tomlin in the playoffs.....with Tom Tebow at qb.

And this is the list of known dipshits we're that's supposed to make us feel grateful about having Tomlin?


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I would say it's 50% that you'd get worse results. At least. I would say that even if I believed Tomlin were only a decent coach.

Imagine this team with Todd Haley coaching it. Or Rex Ryan. Or John Fox. Or BOB.


There's no hungry young assistant out there that could run this team better?

So you pick three retreads...knowing the Steelers haven't hired a retread in over 50 years...to try and bias people toward your point of view?

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FC wrote:
The only dumbfuckery is those who think Tomlin has any chance of being fired.

He is in talks to be extended again...His current contract runs out after 2018...Soon it will be 2021.

For those who think Tomlin has any chance of being fired...Save your time grab some lube find some porn and do something a little more productive with your time.

ZERO CHANCE Tomlin is fired anytime soon...Most of you will be collecting social security before he is gone



No shit. Just because the dumbfuck will probably get extended doesn't negate the fact he has a long history of dumbfuck moves.


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Say Tomlin does get fired tomorrow and gets hired by the Browns.

What is the end result for the browns? Does Mike Tomlin turn them around and bring them into the playoffs?

Just trying to gauge how good a coach he is.


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