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 Post subject: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:37 am 
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Few other things.....

*Boswell...in addition to going 6 for 6, couple from 49 yards, most kicks right down the middle, Bos made arguably one of the game's biggest play with his saving tackle on the kick return when Steelers had narrowed the margin to 17-6. Bungs put three on the board but extending their lead to three scores, at 24-6, might have resulted in a different ending yesterday.

*Eli Rogers....five catches on six targets for 75 yards, most of them freakin' huge. He's stepping up, and let's not ignore Cobi Hamilton's big grab as well. Let's just hope that L.Green is back for Sunday, but even if not, this receiving corps is much more than AB and a collection of dregs.

*Lawrence Timmons....couple huge hits in addition to the pick yesterday.

*Have to cite a line from my esteemed colleague Hesske....Fitzgerald Toussaint on kickoff returns....looks like he's hauling Jackie Gleason in a rickshaw.

*I expected the Bungs to gash the Steelers on the ground yesterday following the exit of Tuitt and Matthews...quite the opposite happened.

*And please....enough bellyaching around limiting LBell's touches. We had a 4-point lead yesterday near game's end. No way am I trusting the Frenchman to tote the rock, exhaust the clock.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:06 am 
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Our kickoff return team and coverage team

Just take a knee and start at the 25

Other than Coates's nice return it's a shit show

Tackling on the coverage team would be great if they can work that into practice this week

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swissvale72 wrote:

*Boswell...in addition to going 6 for 6, couple from 49 yards, most kicks right down the middle, Bos made arguably one of the game's biggest play with his saving tackle on the kick return when Steelers had narrowed the margin to 17-6. Bungs put three on the board but extending their lead to three scores, at 24-6, might have resulted in a different ending yesterday


A four-point difference in a game we won by four points. MVP.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:53 am 
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Our offense scares the shit out of me. We look more like a WPIAL Team
than one that wanted to score 30+ a game

Haleys play calling has been horrendous.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:12 am 
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swissvale72 wrote:
Few other things.....

*Boswell...in addition to going 6 for 6, couple from 49 yards, most kicks right down the middle, Bos made arguably one of the game's biggest play with his saving tackle on the kick return when Steelers had narrowed the margin to 17-6. Bungs put three on the board but extending their lead to three scores, at 24-6, might have resulted in a different ending yesterday.

*Eli Rogers....five catches on six targets for 75 yards, most of them freakin' huge. He's stepping up, and let's not ignore Cobi Hamilton's big grab as well. Let's just hope that L.Green is back for Sunday, but even if not, this receiving corps is much more than AB and a collection of dregs.

*Lawrence Timmons....couple huge hits in addition to the pick yesterday.

*Have to cite a line from my esteemed colleague Hesske....Fitzgerald Toussaint on kickoff returns....looks like he's hauling Jackie Gleason in a rickshaw.

*I expected the Bungs to gash the Steelers on the ground yesterday following the exit of Tuitt and Matthews...quite the opposite happened.

*And please....enough bellyaching around limiting LBell's touches. We had a 4-point lead yesterday near game's end. No way am I trusting the Frenchman to tote the rock, exhaust the clock.




In the game thread at the time I said and rather prophetically that that play was a game saving tackle. Hell of a game by Boz


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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If Boz forces a touch back instead of kicking to the one yard line, he doesn't have to make saving tackle in the first place. Was at the game on opposite end so I couldn't quite tell where the ball came down.

But Boswell was indeed in fire.

Record is 8 field goals. I have no doubt he could have nailed at least seven.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:33 am 
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Still Lit wrote:
If Boz forces a touch back instead of kicking to the one yard line, he doesn't have to make saving tackle in the first place.


Fairly certain there is generally fewer touchbacks when the weather is cold. If I'm hanging on to an old myth, then direct me to my error.

Bullock had several touchbacks against the giants, bos has had plenty of his own this year....both teams yesterday had plenty of opportunities for returns. Leads me to think it was more than just some ineptitude by Bos, but instead that weather was a factor.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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StillerInCT wrote:
Our offense scares the shit out of me. We look more like a WPIAL Team
than one that wanted to score 30+ a game

Haleys play calling has been horrendous.


Normally I don't like to make judgements on the play calling until I get a look at the All 22 or a review of some of the key play calls (to try and get a hint if it was Haley or Ben making the calls), but my opinion of Haley's playcalling yesterday is it was one of the worst he's called in his career.

I really couldn't figure out what the hell he was trying to accomplish yesterday. Absolutely nothing I could see built off something else that was called during the game.

And he had at least a half dozen momentum-killing play calls that I counted, including the stupid reverse and the sweep call to Bell 2-3 plays after he had already called it- with the same formation and everything- and right after Ben had AUDIBLED into a telegraphed run call.

And once again we had the delayed runs during the two minute drill (where we ran but 3 plays after the two minute warning in 1:45 before the half, wasting a SHITLOAD of time, probably killing any chance of a TD) and the typical pattern of "call a run play on 2nd and 10 after an incomplete pass".

I swear I was thinking he was being paid off to throw the game.

If he does that against Baltimore, we are getting rolled.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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In the game thread at the time I said and rather prophetically that that play was a game saving tackle. Hell of a game by Boz


Shortly before that play, Dan Fouts pulled up a stat as to how the Bengals were something like 33-1 (or 38-3...I can't remember the exact stat, but it was some insanely good record) when they scored MORE than 20 points a game over the past several years.

I had that stat in the back of my mind when Boswell made that play- was thinking if the Bungles made it 24-6, we weren't coming back, Terrible Towel Jinx or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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Jeemie wrote:
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In the game thread at the time I said and rather prophetically that that play was a game saving tackle. Hell of a game by Boz


Shortly before that play, Dan Fouts pulled up a stat as to how the Bengals were something like 33-1 (or 38-3...I can't remember the exact stat, but it was some insanely good record) when they scored MORE than 20 points a game over the past several years.

I had that stat in the back of my mind when Boswell made that play- was thinking if the Bungles made it 24-6, we weren't coming back, Terrible Towel Jinx or not.




ya just the whole momentum swing from being held to a fg on offense to giving up a td on the subsequent KO would have been demoralizing and more than likely game set and match. And as an aside except for when Haley gets stupidly cute at the opposing teams 20 or 30 yd line I diddnt have any huge issues with the game he called or our offense in general, as Tomlin said and I agree with him on this pt, Steelers/Bengals have played each other 5 times in the last year, zero secrets between each other, expect more of the same vs Balt altho we get the advantage of being at home for this one.

edit. I think the refs had ALOT to do with stifling our offense. Bengals were getting away with holding or interfering with our WRs all game long.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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swissvale72 wrote:
*Eli Rogers....five catches on six targets for 75 yards, most of them freakin' huge. He's stepping up, and let's not ignore Cobi Hamilton's big grab as well. Let's just hope that L.Green is back for Sunday, but even if not, this receiving corps is much more than AB and a collection of dregs.


I still think they're basically dregs outside of AB. Rogers had his best game yesterday, but I'm still not convinced that he's better than a 5th, maybe 4th receiver. If Green can't go, we're going to see the offense struggle even more than it has been. Coates can only seem to run one route, and I don't think the Steelers can win relying on Rogers and Hamilton. I hope I'm wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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yes..the boz tackle made me think of the big ben playoff tackle at indy years ago...I agree jeems on the bad joke of haley.. I was too infuriated at the 2 min offense before half..i was livid watching this plodding band of oafs not even trying to hurry with play calls from king of shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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StillerInCT wrote:
Our offense scares the shit out of me. We look more like a WPIAL Team
than one that wanted to score 30+ a game

Haleys play calling has been horrendous.


I get that, because the strategy isn't great. They had five scoring drives of decent length though. They moved the ball decently. The final drive they also moved the ball into scoring range, while taking a lot of time off the clock.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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bam morris wrote:
yes..the boz tackle made me think of the big ben playoff tackle at indy years ago...I agree jeems on the bad joke of haley.. I was too infuriated at the 2 min offense before half..i was livid watching this plodding band of oafs not even trying to hurry with play calls from king of shit.

After the opening play penalty, they were intentionally trying to run clock-- it wasn't ineptitude. Their goal when backed up in 2 min situation (especially behind the chains) is to make sure the other team doesn't get cheap points if we don't get the 1st down.

It's worked pretty well for them: they're either #1 or 2 in point differential in the last 2 minutes of the half over the last couple of years.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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Two small observations. Boz was asked how he felt about tying the steeler franchise record and he said, and I'm paraphrasing here : I don't give a shit, really. We won. If I made 7 or 8 it wouldn't matter if we lost. Winning is more important. I loved how he shrugged it off. That guy has ice in his veins.

And Rogers saying : We were sticking with the game plan and it finally popped. Make of that what you will.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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bam morris wrote:
yes..the boz tackle made me think of the big ben playoff tackle at indy years ago...I agree jeems on the bad joke of haley.. I was too infuriated at the 2 min offense before half..i was livid watching this plodding band of oafs not even trying to hurry with play calls from king of shit.

After the opening play penalty, they were intentionally trying to run clock-- it wasn't ineptitude. Their goal when backed up in 2 min situation (especially behind the chains) is to make sure the other team doesn't get cheap points if we don't get the 1st down.

It's worked pretty well for them: they're either #1 or 2 in point differential in the last 2 minutes of the half over the last couple of years.


So wasting the time in between 2:25 and 2:00 is by design? Pretty dumb if you ask me. They end up moving the chains and with more time on the clock would have had a better shot at 6 points before the half.

But all is well that ends well because the other team doesn't get cheap points? Me thinks that will come back to bite them someday.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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bam morris wrote:
yes..the boz tackle made me think of the big ben playoff tackle at indy years ago...I agree jeems on the bad joke of haley.. I was too infuriated at the 2 min offense before half..i was livid watching this plodding band of oafs not even trying to hurry with play calls from king of shit.

After the opening play penalty, they were intentionally trying to run clock-- it wasn't ineptitude. Their goal when backed up in 2 min situation (especially behind the chains) is to make sure the other team doesn't get cheap points if we don't get the 1st down.

It's worked pretty well for them: they're either #1 or 2 in point differential in the last 2 minutes of the half over the last couple of years.


So wasting the time in between 2:25 and 2:00 is by design? Pretty dumb if you ask me. They end up moving the chains and with more time on the clock would have had a better shot at 6 points before the half.

But all is well that ends well because the other team doesn't get cheap points? Me thinks that will come back to bite them someday.

They would rather keep the other team from getting cheap 3 because they tried to hurry and didn't make the 1st down/left too much clock. You might think it's dumb, but it seems to be working for them.

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Are we talking about the end of the first half?


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Are we talking about the end of the first half?

yes.

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Ok then we won't agree here. Not getting another play in before the 2 minute warning, or, wasting the game clock between 2:25 and 2:00 was dumb and if it's by design it's chickenshit. I just hope that offensive approach doesn't bite us in the ass, esp. next Sunday.


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Ok then we won't agree here. Not getting another play in before the 2 minute warning, or, wasting the game clock between 2:25 and 2:00 was dumb and if it's by design it's chickenshit. I just hope that offensive approach doesn't bite us in the ass, esp. next Sunday.

It works! They have either the top or second best point differential in last 2 minutes over the past few years they've been doing this.

IF they get possession in better field position they don't let 25 seconds run off as often but they do gain net points doing it the way they do.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
bam morris wrote:
yes..the boz tackle made me think of the big ben playoff tackle at indy years ago...I agree jeems on the bad joke of haley.. I was too infuriated at the 2 min offense before half..i was livid watching this plodding band of oafs not even trying to hurry with play calls from king of shit.

After the opening play penalty, they were intentionally trying to run clock-- it wasn't ineptitude. Their goal when backed up in 2 min situation (especially behind the chains) is to make sure the other team doesn't get cheap points if we don't get the 1st down.

It's worked pretty well for them: they're either #1 or 2 in point differential in the last 2 minutes of the half over the last couple of years.


Bingo. It was....eptitude. Probably not a word but it should be.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Ok then we won't agree here. Not getting another play in before the 2 minute warning, or, wasting the game clock between 2:25 and 2:00 was dumb and if it's by design it's chickenshit. I just hope that offensive approach doesn't bite us in the ass, esp. next Sunday.

It works! They have either the top or second best point differential in last 2 minutes over the past few years they've been doing this.

IF they get possession in better field position they don't let 25 seconds run off as often but they do gain net points doing it the way they do.


Don't be so fact obsessed. It's a real downer :D

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Lifelongsteel wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
Ok then we won't agree here. Not getting another play in before the 2 minute warning, or, wasting the game clock between 2:25 and 2:00 was dumb and if it's by design it's chickenshit. I just hope that offensive approach doesn't bite us in the ass, esp. next Sunday.

It works! They have either the top or second best point differential in last 2 minutes over the past few years they've been doing this.

IF they get possession in better field position they don't let 25 seconds run off as often but they do gain net points doing it the way they do.


Don't be so fact obsessed. It's a real downer :D




Which part of that was fact based? I'm assuming you meant the first part of B2Bs comment there but that seems sort of vague to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers-Bungs....final notes
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I don't even think I can give them credit in that letting that time tick off the clock is calculated or part of a "plan".

How many times have we seen Ben livid or exacerbated because Haley doesn't get shit in on time? I don't know for certain but I swear when we didn't get a play off before 2:00 Ben again had a look on his face like "well that time isn't coming back..."

Why do we care about point differential? In that situation im concerned about us scoring points, not the other team scoring points, shouldn't that be the mindset? With Ben throwing darts any 3rd and the line to gain situation should seem attainable, which is why I was pissed after the Brown TD was called back we didn't even take a shot towards the sticks. I realize 3rd and forever is difficult but how about a shot?

This is why the offensive scheme seems so disjointed. How many third and short situations are we throwing long into tight windows/double coverage?

Then on third and long at the end of the half, we throw short and almost lose yards on third down (we may have even lost yards)

I don't know if Haley coaches the two minute drill. You need to preserve clock, not burn it, if you are trying to score.

And don't get me started on the two point conversions lol


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