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 Post subject: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:13 pm 
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Just saw this article. Does anyone agree with this? I honestly didn't think it shoulda been a penalty. Maybe I just haven't adjusted my perception of what's legal/illegal.

On a side note, it reminded me of Clark nearly killing Willis McGahee in 08.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/bud-dup ... eo-suspend


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:14 pm 
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randomsteelerfan wrote:
Just saw this article. Does anyone agree with this? I honestly didn't think it shoulda been a penalty. Maybe I just haven't adjusted my perception of what's legal/illegal.

On a side note, it reminded me of Clark nearly killing Willis McGahee in 08.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/bud-dup ... eo-suspend


By letter of law should've been a pen.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:17 pm 
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This is the NFL now. It sucks. The crack back block was worse. It's getting to the point where you'll have to let your guy get tackled instead of making a block and go for everyone's legs to avoid helmet to helmet penalties. That will cause a lot more lower body injuries. We've always joked about putting flags on the QBs but seriously, are we getting close to that? That has to be the next step. They've made the window to actually tackle them so small you almost have to go to flags to keep from having a penalty every time there's a sack.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:18 pm 
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I thought Bud may have killed him

I was shocked when Moore returned to the game

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:19 pm 
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RemoAZ wrote:
This is the NFL now. It sucks. The crack back block was worse. It's getting to the point where you'll have to let your guy get tackled instead of making a block and go for everyone's legs to avoid helmet to helmet penalties. That will cause a lot more lower body injuries. We've always joked about putting flags on the QBs but seriously, are we getting close to that? That has to be the next step. They've made the window to actually tackle them so small you almost have to go to flags to keep from having a penalty every time there's a sack.


I had no issue with penalty at all. Crack back call was utter BS.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:21 pm 
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RemoAZ wrote:
This is the NFL now. It sucks. The crack back block was worse. It's getting to the point where you'll have to let your guy get tackled instead of making a block and go for everyone's legs to avoid helmet to helmet penalties. That will cause a lot more lower body injuries. We've always joked about putting flags on the QBs but seriously, are we getting close to that? That has to be the next step. They've made the window to actually tackle them so small you almost have to go to flags to keep from having a penalty every time there's a sack.


I swear I saw Malcolm Floyd make the same crack back block in week 17 v Miami with nothing but praise for his hustle.

The inconsistencies in what's called is what make all these rules so infuriating and frustrating.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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steelclan wrote:
RemoAZ wrote:
This is the NFL now. It sucks. The crack back block was worse. It's getting to the point where you'll have to let your guy get tackled instead of making a block and go for everyone's legs to avoid helmet to helmet penalties. That will cause a lot more lower body injuries. We've always joked about putting flags on the QBs but seriously, are we getting close to that? That has to be the next step. They've made the window to actually tackle them so small you almost have to go to flags to keep from having a penalty every time there's a sack.


I had no issue with penalty at all. Crack back call was utter BS.


I'm sure you've tackled someone at some level. It's hard not to lead with your head, especially at the speed these guys are going. They called it by rule so I've become numb to that for the most part but it really is getting hard to actually make a legal play on the QB without slowing down. Problem is when you slow down in this league, you either get beat or hurt.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:23 pm 
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Luke Kerr-Dineen is a writer and editor at FTW who likes all sports, but especially golf and soccer.


All you need to know about that article.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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SP wrote:
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Luke Kerr-Dineen is a writer and editor at FTW who likes all sports, but especially golf and soccer.


All you need to know about that article.


:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:26 pm 
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Led helmet first and hit him in the jaw. Clear penalty.

Literally jumped up with that hit. Moore was tough as nails, and made some fine throws on third down. Played admirably for a backup, but that's a tough spot on the road, down big early, and your run game getting stuffed. Could've been a lot closer game without some very timely turnovers.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:28 pm 
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that's cute. the writers husband let him hyphenate his name.....


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:28 pm 
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Led helmet first and hit him in the jaw. Clear penalty.

Literally jumped up with that hit. Moore was tough as nails, and made some fine throws on third down. Played admirably for a backup, but that's a tough spot on the road, down big early, and your run game getting stuffed. Could've been a lot closer game without some very timely turnovers.


Sure and could've been more of a blowout if Ben and AB don't have major brainfarts up 20 to 6 deep in Fin territory.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:32 pm 
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i agree the penalty was just

anyone here complaining about it knows deep down they'd be screaming for a flag if it was Ben being hit like that

that's not to say Dupree intended to go helmet to helmet; it looked like he was aiming chest and Moore ducked into it

but i'm not sure intent factors into it

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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SP wrote:
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Luke Kerr-Dineen is a writer and editor at FTW who likes all sports, but especially golf and soccer.


All you need to know about that article.


:lol: Didn't see that.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:43 pm 
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The way the game is played and officiated these days, that's a penalty that will and should always get called. But get the fuck out of here with the "DuPree should be suspended" bullshit.
So playing hard and at full speed is suspendible now?

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:45 pm 
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It's one thing to debate if that hit should be a penalty or not-- but to call it a cheap shot is absolute insanity.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's one thing to debate if that hit should be a penalty or not-- but to call it a cheap shot is absolute insanity.


Or to suggest it warrants suspension...

By the letter of the rules, it was a penalty. But that's it -- a penalty. He might be fined, but to suggest a suspension is just stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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steelclan wrote:
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Led helmet first and hit him in the jaw. Clear penalty.

Literally jumped up with that hit. Moore was tough as nails, and made some fine throws on third down. Played admirably for a backup, but that's a tough spot on the road, down big early, and your run game getting stuffed. Could've been a lot closer game without some very timely turnovers.


Sure and could've been more of a blowout if Ben and AB don't have major brainfarts up 20 to 6 deep in Fin territory.


That's true too. We were clearly the better, more prepared team.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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Laying the Wood wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's one thing to debate if that hit should be a penalty or not-- but to call it a cheap shot is absolute insanity.


Or to suggest it warrants suspension...

By the letter of the rules, it was a penalty. But that's it -- a penalty. He might be fined, but to suggest a suspension is just stupid.


And it's not like Dupree has a history of questionable hits. He was coming in at full speed going after a QB outside of the pocket. It's football. I'm sure he'll get fined, but that should obviously be the end of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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to see him going right back after Moore on the play he re-entered was worth a chuckle

gotta love that killer instinct

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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That play was beautiful- bs on the flag.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:25 am 
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I will say this, the NFL and the players (to a lesser extent) bitch about protecting the players. If Moore wanted to protect himself he could have slid, he could have run out, he could have thrown the ball away. He did none of the above trying to make a play. Dupree was trying to make a play. Outside the pocket. Etc etc. In MY book that was a clean ass hit. Fuck the current NFL and the pussy pony it road in on.

And not to be an ass. But this is why this shit should be easy. You want to play in the NFL? Sign the waiver. If not, don't.

I am not for CHEAP hits, but if one player wants to go and gets F'ed up for doing it, so be it. Somewhere Scam Newton is wondering where his flags are at.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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I thought Bud may have killed him

I was shocked when Moore returned to the game


Thought the same thing. Moore has some stones to miss but one play.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:59 am 
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Probably not a legal hit by today's rules.

But What a Hit. Wow. You could feel the impact through the TV. Dupree brought All the Wood that time.


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 Post subject: Re: Dupree hit on Moore
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This seems alot like the Shazier hit in last year's WC Playoff game. Here's the NFL's explanation for not issuing a fine:
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So he's not a defenseless player at the time of contact."

As to the point about leading with the crown of his helmet, Shazier would have been at risk for earning a penalty had he and Bernard been traveling at the same angle, Blandino said. He added that Bernard's momentum was angled toward the sideline, while Shazier was moving directly north/south.

"The theory being, when players are moving at [the same] angles, they don't have as much opportunity to avoid that contact," Blandino said.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/21196/giovani-bernard-ryan-shazier-dean-blandino-nfl-league-explanation-allowed-hit-tackle

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