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 Post subject: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:20 pm 
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He's a dillweed douchbag. Of course he goes low to fellate Brady like he always does

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Roethlisberger deserves his share of the blame that the first 19 series of the Kansas City/New England game were played without a touchdown pass. Great quarterbacks can overcome personnel issues, and some play-calling issues too. Where was the great throw or two into postage-stamp targets? Where was the on-field brow-beating we might have seen from Brady? Not there.

As for Haley, he deserves criticism here too, and not just a little. How does a team with Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback and Antonio Brown at receiver and a very good offensive line generate zero touchdown passes in a 19-series span in the two biggest games of the year? It’s unacceptable. Maybe there’s a reason why Haley got zero sniffs this year at a head-coaching job with the six openings. And maybe it has to do with the fact that this offense, at the biggest moments of the year, vastly underachieved. The blame needs to be spread, and the play-designer and -caller needs to accept his share too.

So I think Roethlisberger will meet with Tomlin at some point soon, and probably with the brass, and probably with Haley. Those meetings need to be had. And I think Roethlisberger will come back at age 35, for his 14th year. But he’ll be heard first.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
He's a dillweed douchbag. Of course he goes low to fellate Brady like he always does

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Roethlisberger deserves his share of the blame that the first 19 series of the Kansas City/New England game were played without a touchdown pass. Great quarterbacks can overcome personnel issues, and some play-calling issues too. Where was the great throw or two into postage-stamp targets? Where was the on-field brow-beating we might have seen from Brady? Not there.

As for Haley, he deserves criticism here too, and not just a little. How does a team with Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback and Antonio Brown at receiver and a very good offensive line generate zero touchdown passes in a 19-series span in the two biggest games of the year? It’s unacceptable. Maybe there’s a reason why Haley got zero sniffs this year at a head-coaching job with the six openings. And maybe it has to do with the fact that this offense, at the biggest moments of the year, vastly underachieved. The blame needs to be spread, and the play-designer and -caller needs to accept his share too.

So I think Roethlisberger will meet with Tomlin at some point soon, and probably with the brass, and probably with Haley. Those meetings need to be had. And I think Roethlisberger will come back at age 35, for his 14th year. But he’ll be heard first.


Brady is GOAT and deserves all the praise he gets.

TFFPK is absolutely spot on in everything he says in this quote.

By the way, over at the repost Depot, there's a nice article up about how Ben over the past three seasons averages out first in home passer rating and fifth worst in away passer rating.

This is a definite trend. Something about the Ben Haley combo is not working and the inconsistency is killing us.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:31 pm 
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Agreed on the Ben Haley issues totally.

Peter King is a douchebag, and always will be.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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I've said that Ben's biggest issue is if he's upset with the way things are, he's being passive aggressive about it.

Vocalize it if you've got problems with what Haley is calling. Don't "just run the Play" and then cryptically bitch about it later.

And I agree too, that it's BS that Ben "just runs the plays" and "they have no run/pass checks at the goal line".

We know that's not true.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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I've never considered Ben a great, or even good leader.

Yeah, I don't know what goes on underneath the surface the way Jeemie does, but the part of the Ben iceberg that is visible above water is far less than ideal.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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How can you disagree with a word King wrote?


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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Laying the Wood wrote:
How can you disagree with a word King wrote?


Agreed.

Some of this is pretty straight forward to me.

Tomlin is a leader/exec/teacher. And I think he's really good at it.

He needs coordinators that are game planners / schemers. He basically needs better football minds than himself.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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did i disagree? i didn't' see myself type it. :)

We haven't had a FFPK thread in a while

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Clearly O numbers pretty bad in last Q of the season. especially last two playoff games.

But we needed Wheaton and Coates to step up and green to have an impact. And no be of that happened.

One play that was telling to me is there was a flag route to Hamilton and you could see that was bens first read. And he thought about it for a half second. He pulled it back and hit Eli on the crosser. Now in a way smart play. But if Ben has confidence in that wr decent chance that's a td.

As to Haley he could do a better job at prep.


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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Jeemie wrote:
I've said that Ben's biggest issue is if he's upset with the way things are, he's being passive aggressive about it.

Vocalize it if you've got problems with what Haley is calling. Don't "just run the Play" and then cryptically bitch about it later.

And I agree too, that it's BS that Ben "just runs the plays" and "they have no run/pass checks at the goal line".

We know that's not true.


This would make sense if you had any clue what Ben says or doesn't say to the staff behind closed doors.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Lifelongsteel wrote:
I've never considered Ben a great, or even good leader.

Yeah, I don't know what goes on underneath the surface the way Jeemie does, but the part of the Ben iceberg that is visible above water is far less than ideal.


I'm guessing at what goes on underneath the surface based on the tip of the iceberg that I can see.

I don't know for sure.

I do recognize passive aggressive behavior when I see it, though.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Jeemie wrote:
Lifelongsteel wrote:
I've never considered Ben a great, or even good leader.

Yeah, I don't know what goes on underneath the surface the way Jeemie does, but the part of the Ben iceberg that is visible above water is far less than ideal.


I'm guessing at what goes on underneath the surface based on the tip of the iceberg that I can see.

I don't know for sure.

I do recognize passive aggressive behavior when I see it, though.


I kid. And I agree with you

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Jeemie wrote:
I've said that Ben's biggest issue is if he's upset with the way things are, he's being passive aggressive about it.

Vocalize it if you've got problems with what Haley is calling. Don't "just run the Play" and then cryptically bitch about it later.

And I agree too, that it's BS that Ben "just runs the plays" and "they have no run/pass checks at the goal line".

We know that's not true.


This would make sense if you had any clue what Ben says or doesn't say to the staff behind closed doors.


I sense from Ben's public comments that he's not pleased with the offense under Haley. And this isn't the first time he's been what I would call "cryptically vocal" about it in public.

Yet a) the offense has mostly all the same problems it has had that seem to bother Ben and b) Ben says he just "runs the play".

So therefore I am guessing that either Ben is just ignored when he's vocal about it in house, or he else he doesn't raise all that much of a fuss about it in house.

Other explanations are possible, I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Maybe Tomlin should hire Bradshaw as a consultant....and he can teach Ben how to call his own number....at the half yard line. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Wasn't there a game last year or the year before where Ben tried to keep the offense on the field on 4th and short and the Steelers sent out the kicker and when Ben came off he was mad and Haley looked like he was yelling at him?

Or did I imagine that?

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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well, Fat Fuck, Ben threw some of those dimes and the receivers dropped the ball.

Peter King is still bitter as fuck Ben didn't bow and kiss the ring early in his career.

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Laying the Wood wrote:
How can you disagree with a word King wrote?


Ummm....I've been critical of Ben where warranted. But...that throw to Coates was postage-stamp accuracy whatever the fuck that means. Started the game, what? 15 out of 19? (at one point late in first half Ben and Brady's stat was identical)...with that Coates drop AND a TD drop by Hamilton?

OK so douchenozzle king says Ben didn't throw well enough to start the game...that's the tard's implication here.....so I ask, which throw did Ben miss on during that stretch? Which was the postage stamp throw that could've made that he missed?


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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
He's a dillweed douchbag. Of course he goes low to fellate Brady like he always does

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/25/ben- ... fl-mailbag

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Roethlisberger deserves his share of the blame that the first 19 series of the Kansas City/New England game were played without a touchdown pass. Great quarterbacks can overcome personnel issues, and some play-calling issues too. Where was the great throw or two into postage-stamp targets? Where was the on-field brow-beating we might have seen from Brady? Not there.

As for Haley, he deserves criticism here too, and not just a little. How does a team with Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback and Antonio Brown at receiver and a very good offensive line generate zero touchdown passes in a 19-series span in the two biggest games of the year? It’s unacceptable. Maybe there’s a reason why Haley got zero sniffs this year at a head-coaching job with the six openings. And maybe it has to do with the fact that this offense, at the biggest moments of the year, vastly underachieved. The blame needs to be spread, and the play-designer and -caller needs to accept his share too.

So I think Roethlisberger will meet with Tomlin at some point soon, and probably with the brass, and probably with Haley. Those meetings need to be had. And I think Roethlisberger will come back at age 35, for his 14th year. But he’ll be heard first.


What is wrong with this? 100% accurate. Why do you characterize everything said or printed that doesn't praise the Steelers as trolling?


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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Ben was good early in game as per the discussion above confirmed

We just hate tffpk

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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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Kodiak wrote:
well, Fat Fuck, Ben threw some of those dimes and the receivers dropped the ball.

Peter King is still bitter as fuck Ben didn't bow and kiss the ring early in his career.
yeah, I thought Ben played very well against NE. Passes were almost all on target until the late int, just WRs had trouble coming down with them with DBs holding their arms.


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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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How the fuck can Ben come out and directly criticize the very OC that was handpicked by ARII?

These are the same guys that left Ben alone and unsupported in the aftermath of Allegedville.


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 Post subject: Re: TFFPK on Ben's Statement
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Ben was good early in game as per the discussion above confirmed

We just hate tffpk


Failed third and six on the second drive was all on Ben, though.

He had Bell wide open on a wheel route isolated one one one with a linebacker, and Cobi Hamilton ran a beautiful route to get open at the sticks on the other side...and Ben was completely locked on Brown the whole way, who was blanketed.

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