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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:42 am 
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"The Rams have been open to other trade options as well, though this deal of Gaines makes it even less likely they move top corner Trumaine Johnson, who is making $17 million this season after being franchised a second straight year," La Canfora wrote Friday. "Sources said the Steelers have been among the teams sniffing around on a possible Johnson trade." https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/stee ... e-johnson/
No thanks. He is too expensive. They still haven't signed Tuitt or Bell and there are a slew of players in line for new contracts next year.


Who cares about Bell?

He's obviously done in Pittsburgh after this season. He turned down more money than he was worth, why should the Steelers offer more? Guy has missed nearly 20 games and wants a bank breaking deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:26 pm 
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I believe the Steelers will try once more to get a deal done with Bell. While I agree Bell is not worth the $12 to $15 Mil per he desires I think the Steelers will still attempt to accommodate him fairly. It'll be up to Bell. My hope is Tuitt gets his deal done before the regular season begins.

Scunge, I don't believe any GM in their right mind would trade anything for Golson other than a cheeseburger and coke. Dude is a huge disappointment. Coates on the other hand could bring interest, But even there Coates had what can be considered a disappointment of a season last year. So my question is where is the value with these two particular players and how do they add up to a fair deal regarding a Johnson trade? Seems like the lambs would be getting the shit end of the stick.

I think they would have to pay Johnson big money. Norman is the only other vet corner making more at $20mil. Johnson would want the same if not more. Why I stated No Thanks too expensive. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap ... k/veteran/


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:50 pm 
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The Steelers need to stick to their guns with Bell. Either Bell signs the tender, let him holdout and waste a year or if possible, trade his ass now. Bell is a great player, no doubt. I think the Steelers have given him a fair offer based on the time that he's missed (injury/suspension). Maybe he needs to talk to Matt Forte, Barry Sanders or Marshawn Lynch (Buffalo) about playing on a shitty team.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:57 pm 
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I'd trade his ass to a shitty team now and hook up this Johnson dude.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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I was a big pro-Bell guy coming into the draft. I loved the pick. But, here we are 2 knee surgeries and disciplinary problems later...as well as once again breaking down at a key playoff time.

He's simply not worth the money. Give me a great corner or a pass rusher any day over Bell. Our odds of winning the SB go way up.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:16 pm 
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I was a big pro-Bell guy coming into the draft. I loved the pick. But, here we are 2 knee surgeries and disciplinary problems later...as well as once again breaking down at a key playoff time.

He's simply not worth the money. Give me a great corner or a pass rusher any day over Bell. Our odds of winning the SB go way up.


The injuries...the suspensions....and not being available in the post season are huge issues....gonna be sad to see him go but i franchise him next year as well and then let him walk


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Would you guys consider Bell and Cockrell for Gurley and Johnson, straight up?


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DP39 wrote:
Would you guys consider Bell and Cockrell for Gurley and Johnson, straight up?


Absolutely. That's a no brainer. The Rams would have to be borderline retarded though to make that deal. Also, I don't know what you do with Johnson's contract. That's a big problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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franco32 wrote:
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Would you guys consider Bell and Cockrell for Gurley and Johnson, straight up?


Absolutely. That's a no brainer. The Rams would have to be borderline retarded though to make that deal. Also, I don't know what you do with Johnson's contract. That's a big problem.

That's why I suggested it. Johnson's contract is only $4.5 million more than Bell's. That's one of the few ways I could think of landing Johnson and his contract.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:33 pm 
My answer to that problem is this. Every game should 40 or more points on offense.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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franco32 wrote:
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Would you guys consider Bell and Cockrell for Gurley and Johnson, straight up?


Absolutely. That's a no brainer. The Rams would have to be borderline retarded though to make that deal. Also, I don't know what you do with Johnson's contract. That's a big problem.


Actually the Rams have somewhat soured on both players. I live in LA and have to read about the Rams and their new coaching staff in our news every day. Consider this: Johnson is much better than Cockrell, but the Rams know they are going to lose Johnson, who is not a perfect fit for Wade Phillips' new defense. They get a serviceable replacement in Cockrell. Bell is much better than Gurley, and a much better fit for the new head coaches offense. But we get a serviceable replacement for Bell. I am not sure the Steelers would want this deal. If you could get the Rams to pay the delta of Johnson's cap hit vs Bell's cap hit, I would do the deal. Both players are going to leave their teams soon anyway, and Ben is not getting younger.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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I don't know there are all kind of ways to make a trade Steelafan77. Maybe we could give them Senquez Golson and Sammie Coates in trade for Johnson?

Here me out. They are under contract for the next two seasons, this year and next, and the Steelers would have to pay a collective $3.2 million to those players. Yeah, you still have to worry about signing Johnson to a new contract but it doesn't have to be about giving up first round picks to trade for him. Maybe a combination of players and a 3rd round pick could get it done.

You know, when we had the Bell discussion thread on him turning down the Steelers proposal I wondered if the Steelers would go in a different direction.

I still contend that it is not a foregone conclusion that Bell will be franchised next season. I said in that thread that the Steelers would probably be better off pursuing a free agent CB, S or TE and let Bell go and draft his replacement in round 1 in the 2018 draft. Might there be a little smoke to that fire?


Scunge - can they franchise Bell and trade him for picks?


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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DP39 wrote:
Would you guys consider Bell and Cockrell for Gurley and Johnson, straight up?

In a fucking heartbeat!

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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Johnson is guaranteed $16,742,400 then is a UFA. The Browns, SF or Jax might make that deal for a conditional 7th rounder. No other team could do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:37 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:

Scunge - can they franchise Bell and trade him for picks?


Well, I do know that there are two designations for Franchise Tag, Non Exclusive, meaning the player can negotiate with other teams and if that team offered Bell a contract that we do not match then we would get two first round picks.

Then there is the Exclusive Franchise Tag that gives all of the negotiating power to the Steelers and Bell and his agent have no options.

Me? I would have given Bell the Transition tag this year. Hear me out.

The transition tag pays the average of the top 10 players at the position, not the top 5. Atlanta signed Freeman for $8.25 million, the Bills gave McCoy an average of $8 million. That is the upper amount that teams are willing to pay for a RB. The Steelers could have slapped the transition tag on him and I don't see how any team would have paid more than the $12 million average the Steeler originally offered.

The Steelers had three options and chose the worst one in my opinion.

They chose to give him the Exclusive Tag meaning that no team could have offered him a deal and we get no chance to get two first round draft picks as compensation.

They could have given him the Non Exclusive tag where that option would have been available. This could have helped immensely because some other teams may have made a deal that could have helped set the market which I believe would have been much lower than what the Steelers offered.

Also, the transition tag would have given the Steelers the ability to match any offer and the one year option would have been maybe not even $10 million, compared to the $12.1 million we are on the hook for when Bell signs the tender.

Just don't understand the need to have put the Exclusive tag on him. If Bell was trouble free from injuries and suspension, if he had also scored 20 TDs a season then maybe some team might have offered more than $12 million a season, but Bell is not that player. There are risks involved and I feel like the Steelers really boxed themselves in, they sort of painted themselves into a corner with no options.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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So going by the transition tag Bell would have been looking at roughly $6,880,475.2 for the season. Half of what is the current offer and he still refuses to sign. I understand that you're saying transition tag would have left room for another franchise to make an offer which may have rewarded the Steelers two 1st RND picks and paid Bell his aggrandized amount he desires. What that does say to me as a Steelers fan is they are very serious about re-signing Bell and haven't given up in the least. There must be something in the negotiations that convinced the Steelers they can still get a deal done.

The top 10 RB's. Bell is rated #1 salary wise. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/ave ... ning-back/
2) Devonta Freeman, $8,250,000. 3) Jonathan Stewart, $8,000,000 4) LeSean McCoy, $8,000,000. 5) Doug Martin, $7,150,000. 6) Leonard Fournette, $6,787,711. 7) Lamar Miller, $6,500,000. 8) Chris Ivory, $6,400,000. 9) DeMarco Murray, $6,312,500. 10) Ezekiel Elliott, $6,239,085. 11) Giovani Bernard, $5,166,667.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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I'd trade his ass to a shitty team now and hook up this Johnson dude.


Yep x1000. I don't think Bell would take us to the promise land more than a shut down corner. Defense still wins championships and having a guy that can lock up on the opposing teams best WR allows your defense to play differently. They can be much more aggressive up front knowing that at least 1 WR is basically out of the picture. With Burns on the other side practicing against AB, he will get better fast and we will have two nearly shut-down CB's. Bell will be gimpy going into our game and not contribute much anyway!


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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Yeah, fuck our best player! Trade his worthless ass! How dare he try to make as much money as possible in probably the one big payday of his and his family's entire lives! Rot in hell you "thug" (the new white code for the n word). Rap sucks, Allman Brothers for life! Root tootin' boot scootin' suck my wenis Le'Veon!

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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TB wrote:
Yeah, fuck our best player! Trade his worthless ass! How dare he try to make as much money as possible in probably the one big payday of his and his family's entire lives! Rot in hell you "thug" (the new white code for the n word). Rap sucks, Allman Brothers for life! Root tootin' boot scootin' suck my wenis Le'Veon!


TB, how much is the team supposed to invest in the RB position?

I'm a total Bell homer, but if the best player (and I don't know that I put Bell over AB) is going to take up more cap space than the position warrants, you have to cut bait. Bell is elite, that's obvious. I do not know whether his talent is so transcendent that he is worth keeping at his asking price. We have one hell of an offensive line. I wonder really how much his patient style will work with a less talented line whereas a less talented but still really good back might do the job behind our great line.

I would be pained at trading him, but I am resigned he is determined to break the bank. If so, it would be good to get something via a trade if even possible.

The problem as I see it is that our best player is trying to fuck the team by doing what is best for himself in looking for so much money. Now, this is his right and players are treated as commodities so Bell owes no one nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:34 pm 
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TB wrote:
Yeah, fuck our best player! Trade his worthless ass! How dare he try to make as much money as possible in probably the one big payday of his and his family's entire lives! Rot in hell you "thug" (the new white code for the n word). Rap sucks, Allman Brothers for life! Root tootin' boot scootin' suck my wenis Le'Veon!


You've embarrassed yourself implying something that hasn't even been stated because the true colors of the bigot surfaces eventually. Good job! BTW, Race baiting is illegal here.


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I thought the Steelers' offer for Bell was more than reasonable. Bell feels that he is a top flight RB AND WR, and wants to be paid as an amalgam of both. He'll surely find someone willing to do that, but the Steelers are a championship team and have to fit others under budget as well.

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Meanwhile the Rams are a shit team that just realized they made a mistake in franchising a CB. I guarantee that the Rams are not franchising Johnson next year. The Steelers might just franchise Bell again.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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Bell is going to get paid 12 Million it not like the steelers low balled Him.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers interested in Trumaine Johnson or click bait?
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I really have no idea what Bell would get as a FA. $12M sounds about right to me (which is probably why PIT was comfortable tagging him), but yeah the market isn't valuing RB's. Next year might be a different story if you use a transition tag and let the market decide what he's worth. On the other hand, I believe after 2 years Bell is "out of the drug program" and then you don't have the same risk of losing him a long time for a positive test.


I have no idea what the trade value is for a franchise corner in his last year (and already tagged once). You're talking $20M+ to tag him the next year, so that's out of the question. And I'm not sure of the rules, but you aren't going to be able to get him under contract....so what draft pick or player are you willing to part with to rent a guy for one season at $17M?

Taking Johnson and letting Bell walk is an interesting proposition. But I wouldn't be so quick to cast aside a generational talent at RB. I'm not sure that swap really makes the team better, but it does eat up another $5M in cap.

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I don't believe anyone was going to give up two first rounds picks for Bell.

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