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 Post subject: Re: Bell VS other RB's
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:08 pm 
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Breakaway speed is pretty much the only thing standing between Bell and GOAT status....but if he continues putting up these numbers - longevity being the big unknown hurdle - he'll be in the conversation.

As for the offensive output with Williams vs. Bell, keep in mind most of those games with Williams had a pretty good deep threat (2nd year Bryant, Coates before breaking his fingers)....whereas with Bell he had a rookie Bryant for basically half a year (which with Bryant joining the lineup that year the offense took off).

Agree that Bell can be a crutch for Haley. He gets going, we gobble up yards between the 20's and playcalling gets lazy. We need to run the triangle offense with Bell, AB and Bryant...and occasionally the other role players get bunnies when the defense falls asleep on them. Can Phil Jackson coach football? :D

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:31 pm 
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The moral is: don't run the offense through him. Use him as a killer off-speed pitch and you'll get a lot more mileage out of him.


Exactly. Hopefully Haley and Tomlin have finally come to that realization.

Seems to me the more Bell put up big numbers the more & more he became a crutch for the offense.

Almost makes them lazy in their approach. Just give it to Bell. Rinse & repeat.


Ehh, he aint exactly bangin it up the middle 300 times a year. For all this nancy BS talk about his numerous touches, you'd think he was hammering away like Bo Jackson in his prime. In reality, he's mostly tap dancing like Wes Welker.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell VS other RB's
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:27 pm 
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Breakaway speed is pretty much the only thing standing between Bell and GOAT status....but if he continues putting up these numbers - longevity being the big unknown hurdle - he'll be in the conversation.

As for the offensive output with Williams vs. Bell, keep in mind most of those games with Williams had a pretty good deep threat (2nd year Bryant, Coates before breaking his fingers)....whereas with Bell he had a rookie Bryant for basically half a year (which with Bryant joining the lineup that year the offense took off).

Agree that Bell can be a crutch for Haley. He gets going, we gobble up yards between the 20's and playcalling gets lazy. We need to run the triangle offense with Bell, AB and Bryant...and occasionally the other role players get bunnies when the defense falls asleep on them. Can Phil Jackson coach football? :D


I want Bell to put together one complete season...all 16 games plus as many playoff games as we have...without injury, suspension, or anything else.

That's all I want. Him healthy and producing...every single game.

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 Post subject: Re: Tuitt
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:03 pm 
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Lynch wrote:
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The moral is: don't run the offense through him. Use him as a killer off-speed pitch and you'll get a lot more mileage out of him.


Exactly. Hopefully Haley and Tomlin have finally come to that realization.

Seems to me the more Bell put up big numbers the more & more he became a crutch for the offense.

Almost makes them lazy in their approach. Just give it to Bell. Rinse & repeat.


Ehh, he aint exactly bangin it up the middle 300 times a year. For all this nancy BS talk about his numerous touches, you'd think he was hammering away like Bo Jackson in his prime. In reality, he's mostly tap dancing like Wes Welker.


And yet still has missed the final game of our season (playoff games) three times now due to injury.

I think the players on this team as well as the coaches would all agree having Bell is important. Thus, managing carries makes sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Tuitt
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:37 pm 
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Lynch wrote:

Ehh, he aint exactly bangin it up the middle 300 times a year. For all this nancy BS talk about his numerous touches, you'd think he was hammering away like Bo Jackson in his prime. In reality, he's mostly tap dancing like Wes Welker.


Uh, yeah he was getting the ball at a ridiculous pace last season.

261 carries in 12 games, if he played in all 16 games that would have 348 carries.
75 catches in 12 games, if he played in all 16 games that would have been 100 catches.

448 combined touches, that is what Bell was on pace for if he had played in all 16 games. Is it any wonder he came up lame in the NE game, got hurt, ran out of gas, whathaveyou, just when we needed him most?

That is a ridiculous total, and it is so unnecessary. Great RBs in the past did not need to touch the ball that much, and they were so much more productive with less touches, more productive in scoring TDs.

Priest Holmes had a phenomenal 3 year run with Kansas City before he got injured, those 3 season he had 389, 383, and 394 combined touches. The TD totals were 10, 24 and 27!!!

Adrian Peterson's two highest combined totals for a season are a mere 388 and 384.

Marshall Faulk? His two highest combined totals for touches is 410 and 388.

Ladanian Tomlinson's two highest were 451 and 413, they wisely would try and keep his touches down and remember Michael Turner? His 4 years in SD were short but he still had almost 1,300 yard rushing in relief of Tomlinson.

But the point that I would make is that Bell wants the ball EVEN MORE. And yet he seems to be getting injured because his body can't keep up with the pace, he needs to be given the ball LESS.

It is so depressing to watch him in the second halves of game where a hole is there, you think he can just hit it and be off for a 50 yard TD but he just does not have that burst, that long speed to get it done. No, instead it goes for just 15 or 20 yards and he is tackled from behind. Bell wants to get the ball 30 times a game, wants to approach 500 touches for the season, but all I see that doing is making him more tired and less effective.

He needs to be fed the ball where he is kept under 400 touches, just like Peterson, just like Priest Holmes, just like Faulk, and Tomlinson. Maybe then he would be fresher and be more explosive and score more TDs

This is the perfect example of Less is More.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell VS other RB's
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 pm 
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I'm not convinced Bell is injury prone - two knees where he was targeted by dirty hits, and then the groin.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell VS other RB's
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:47 pm 
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Me neither, and like I said, dude runs soft. It aint like he's banging away up the middle like Jamal Lewis or something. So he catches a few easy outs and what have you... Big fuckin deal. You don't hear pads poppin at the end of his runs/catches. RON, steelers4Tim, IC, nor I am impressed.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell VS other RB's
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:51 pm 
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RB Le’Veon Bell walked away from a contract that would have paid him in excess of $18 million in the first of the agreement.

Beyond that, Bell would have averaged $13 million per year over the first three years of the contract but Bell never signed the deal before the deadline to negotiate with franchise players passed.

La Canfora says that both the NFLPA and Bell’s advisors considered the deal to be “incredibly strong” for him, but they knew there was no guarantee that Bell was going to sign the contract.

Bell is reportedly seeking $15 million or more per year as part of a long-term deal in order to push the end of the of the market back up to where Adrian Peterson had it during his time with the Vikings.

Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported a few weeks ago that Bell turned down a five-year contract that his agent agreed to with the Steelers at the last minute before the deadline to negotiate with franchise players.

Sources told Bouchette that the five-year deal would have averaged over $12 million per year and would have paid him over $30 million in the first two years of the agreement.

These figures are consistent with a report from Tom Pelissero of NFL Media.

Bouchette’s sources have said that Bell wants to average $15 million per year as part of a long-term deal. However, even with a 20 percent increase next year, tagging Bell for a second straight season would still cost the Steelers less than $15 million.

Bouchette says Pittsburgh was “baffled” by Bell’s decision to pass on the deal.

The Steelers have said that they plan to pick up contract talks with Bell next year.

Bell, 25, is a former second-round pick of the Steelers back in 2013. He played out the final year of his four-year, $4,120,600 rookie contract that included a $1,376,800 signing bonus and was in position to be one of the best players in this year’s free agent market.

In 2016, Bell appeared in 12 games and running for 1,268 yards on 261 carries (4.9 YPC) to go along with 75 receptions for 616 yards receiving and three nine total touchdowns. Pro Football Focus has him rated as the No. 1 running back out of 62 qualifying players. http://nfltraderumors.co/leveon-bell-wa ... -steelers/

I don't know how much more Bell expects the Steelers to sweeten this deal? That deal right there would have made him the highest paid RB by millions. I hope the Steelers realize Bell's intentions and decide make him one more fair offer not breaking bank to do it. If Bell won't sign then FT him again and allow him to split in 2019.

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