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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:29 pm 
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The offense is 17th in the league in Pts/Dr.

This is not a SB caliber team right now. And that's fine regarding the D but this is an enormous problem for the O being led by Tomlin/Haley/Ben/AB/Bryant/Bell... who have years experience together as a group. This was supposed to finally be the year for the offense with the gang all together. It's very disappointing to me.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:35 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:

Ben also said his 2008 OL was fantastic and deserved all the credit.

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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:35 pm 
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Brooks writes some dumb shit sometimes. This article makes some decent points. At the least, it’s full of some stats worth taking a look at.

A Raven defense that gave up 44 is going to be looking for atonement as is our anemic offense.

Will see who is up to task tomorrow...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000853470/article/pittsburgh-steelers-offensive-woes-hybrid-playmakers-and-more


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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:36 pm 
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I dislike Haley and Tomlin and their style and believe completely a large part of the problem is that our guys have to be perfect as they get no help from playcall, scheme and personnel moves and in fact have a staff that blames failure on the inability to execute perfectly a flawed plan.

That said, every week I stow my cynicism and hope the will find a way to win. I hope that the great players they do have make plays. Bell and Bryant are most definitely rusty IMO and Ben has played below his line so far this year. They appear to be still sorting out the 3rd WR and the Online has been better in the past and has room to improve. So I hope ...

One of my concerns going into the rest of the year is despite struggles the rats and bungles get after the QB with limited rushers and that has historically abolsutley flummoxed this offense. So if they do what they do I fear splitting with the rats and bungles at best and getting Ben killed at worst by run run obvious pass planning


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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:02 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:

Ben also said his 2008 OL was fantastic and deserved all the credit.
Suggs on BR blaming himself and forcing the ball to AB :

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“He’s playing mind games. Rat bastard. He’s setting us up. Tell Ben, I’m on to his tricks. I know what he’s doing. I’m not going to let him fool me with trickery and Jedi-mind trick me”.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:51 pm 
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COR-TEN wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:

Ben also said his 2008 OL was fantastic and deserved all the credit.
Suggs on BR blaming himself and forcing the ball to AB :

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“He’s playing mind games. Rat bastard. He’s setting us up. Tell Ben, I’m on to his tricks. I know what he’s doing. I’m not going to let him fool me with trickery and Jedi-mind trick me”.
:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:01 am 
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Jobus Rum wrote:
"These aren't the droids you're looking for."


Sad part is...I think Ben is being completely honest (aside from shouldering the blame, which he always does).

I'm sure when BAL watches the film they think "none of these guys can really hurt us except AB".

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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
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Stosh-67 wrote:
Was listening to Tunch and Wolf a bit yesterday talking about the offense.
They also had Hodge on as a guest.

Hodge said Bryant was not crisp and quick and did not come out of his turn running full speed.
Hence, reason he was a half step or more short of making that an easy catch.
Said he will see it on tape and be better next time.

I was a few minutes late to bar and missed the first few plays. Will have to re-watch.

They talked about Ben being off with his throws and not very good first three games.
One of them mentioned he just looked slow in the pocket. slow to shift or slide away from pressure.
Said not the same QB from 3 years ago.

They talked about the high risk, low percentage third down plays .....rather than high percentage plays to move the chains.
Its ok to keep moving the chains down the field.

I think Ben is hearing alot more talk of his average play this year, hence his comments yesterday on he needs to be better.
He also made some comments on how he needs to spread the ball around and that sometimes he zones in on AB.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20836052/pittsburgh-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-critical-own-play
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"I didn't play well enough to win. We lost the game because of me, because I didn't play well enough," Roethlisberger said. "It's not on anyone else. That's how I felt, that's what you've got to do is you've got to own it. And I'll own it.

"If I play better in that game, I feel we win the game. If I play better in the first two weeks, then we're going to score more points and have a productive offense and we don't have to answer questions about why our offense isn't where it is."

"Sometimes there are guys that might be open where I quickly go to AB," Roethlisberger said. "I need to reel myself in and just take what the defense gives us, give us the best play possible, not just the best guy possible. ... It's not about a No. 3 or establishing guys. We're going to rotate guys in. We have enough weapons that we can do that. I just need to be better at getting guys involved."

I am not a Tomlin or a Haley fan, but I think if Ben can get back to 2014 form when he threw for 4,900+ yards and 30+ TD's, this offense would be much more elite and live up to its hype. It starts and ends with Ben.


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 Post subject: Re: Dialing back offensive expecations
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:50 am 
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A provocative article on BR and the deep ball. I would wager that the abysmal numbers cited are largely due to force feeding deep balls to AB in the Vikes game. But it is very interesting that the numbers cited do not depend on a WR dropping at well thrown ball.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/p ... mpaign=nfl

The conclusion (is the argument any good?) is that Ben is dangerously close being on the wrong end of a ratio between "well thrown big-time throws" and "turnover worthy throws."

If I understand the article correctly, the implication is that the deep ball is Ben's greatest strength and that the offensive scheme is organized around deep ball strikes and that Ben is not at all throwing deep well. The outcome is that the offense is sputtering.

I think that that is probably too narrow a view of the offensive failings, but it is a reasonable hypothesis.

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