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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:02 pm 
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There is no coaching going on. Zero, none. Mike Tomlin doesn’t coach during the week, or on sundays. He sits there and fucking stares.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:12 pm 
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Zeke5123 wrote:
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So you're not going with lack of execution, then?

:lol:


I imagine you also thought Crosby and Geno sucked.


Zeke, cross purposes. I was mostly alluding to the position that execution is everything, often trotted out in defense of our coaching staff.

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We could have ended the game there and Tomlin’s band of assholes let them back in.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:16 pm 
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I agree that Haley is stale
I also agree with others that Ben played poorly today
However, IMO the Steele main issue is systemic and flows from the top
What we got today - execution aside is what Tomlin wants
It is a cheap and shallow approach to weekly scheme vs execution
It is actually handcuffing talent while preaching execution which seems to me contradictory and stupid. It is exacerbated further by a lacsadaisical approach to discipline on the field


I think it you take Haley out of the equation, a lot of those other "issues" go away. He's that bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
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Even Tomlin’s challenges are sloppy, like most things done by the team he leads.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:17 pm 
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The Steelers staff is the main Voice of that false story - execution is everything


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:17 pm 
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Art Vandelay wrote:
Even Tomlin’s challenges are sloppy, like most things done by the team he leads.


Didn't think that was a bad challenge (without benefit of replay). Plenty of time for their offense. It was only costly because of a "fluke" TO by Shazier that gave you a second chance.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:23 pm 
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So I'm not firing anybody until we go 8-8 and don't make the playoffs. And the Rooney's who actually make these decisions are notoriously patient.

But do people here have mixed feelings about wins and losses because on the one hand you are Steelers fans and you want the team to Win, but when the team loses it allows people to work on their other passion, which is Fire Tomlin, Fire Haley.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:26 pm 
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Stallworth16 wrote:
...but when the team loses it allows people to work on their other passion, which is Fire Tomlin, Fire Haley.


We're 5 games in and the offense has grossly underperformed expectations. And Haley has never exactly been considered to "add value".

Regardless of what you think about Ben, he's still better than at least 2/3 of the QB's in this league. Yet, other teams are getting it done with lesser QB's, and lesser talent around those QB's.

You can't change your players tomorrow, but you CAN change the guy running the ship.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:28 pm 
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Aaron Rodgers is so much better than Ben right now. Christ almighty.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:31 pm 
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Orangesteel wrote:
Aaron Rodgers is so much better than Ben right now. Christ almighty.

oh my..dak too..i was watching and wishing upon a star..ben needs to retire.. ben in double a ball.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:32 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
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...but when the team loses it allows people to work on their other passion, which is Fire Tomlin, Fire Haley.


We're 5 games in and the offense has grossly underperformed expectations. And Haley has never exactly been considered to "add value".

Regardless of what you think about Ben, he's still better than at least 2/3 of the QB's in this league. Yet, other teams are getting it done with lesser QB's, and lesser talent around those QB's.

You can't change your players tomorrow, but you CAN change the guy running the ship.

One more loss like this one, and I'll start to despise Haley like I used to also.

But I also know that replacing coaches can sometimes make things better and sometimes not, either way it takes time. I've pretty much resigned to the fact that this our last run with Ben and we have to get our shit together with this group of coaches and players.

To their credit they have shown the ability to Regroup and Play well in the second half of the season, in the past. Will that happen this year? It could go either way.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:34 pm 
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We are still trending down since December of last year

The end of the tomlin / Haley line has been reached

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
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Orangesteel wrote:
Aaron Rodgers is so much better than Ben right now. Christ almighty.

I rember not too long ago id take ben over everyone in nfl.. including brady-rogers. now id take 20 -25 qbs in a trade for ben....sad but true.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
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bam morris wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
Aaron Rodgers is so much better than Ben right now. Christ almighty.

I rember not too long ago id take ben over everyone in nfl.. including brady-rogers. now id take 20 -25 qbs in a trade for ben....sad but true.


I remember games - rare, to be sure, but I'm making a point - where Ben completed like 80% of his passes to guys mostly with no one within 3 yards. I have seen very, very few of such plays this year. A ridiculous amount of his passes this year have been highly contested in tight coverage. Unless the all-22 says otherwise, I simply don't assume a 14-yr future HOFer is suddenly making awful decisions, repeatedly.

The only guys who make those throws consistently are Ben and Rodgers, each for a period of about 2-3 years in their entire careers.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
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Rodgers today did it without 87 and NO running game and missing 2 impact members of his OL.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:55 pm 
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Defense doesn't get much of a pass...

"In the Steelers' 2 *losses*, opponents have COMBINED for a total of 7 completions to wide receivers

Seven. Total. WR. Catches.
In two games"

- Chris Adamski



Also, as you know by now...Jags- 1st in pass defense. 32nd in run defense. So, let's fling it 55 times.


Adjustment. Failure.

COACHING.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
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AirRescueFF wrote:

Also, as you know by now...Jags- 1st in pass defense. 32nd in run defense. So, let's fling it 55 times.


Adjustment. Failure.

COACHING.


They gave it to their RBs 18 times and only averaged 3.1 YPC. That's the bigger deal than the lack of total rushes. They couldn't run on a bad run D. The plays are stale and predictable and the o line isn't opening holes.

Every week I sit here and watch Andy Reid call plays and design offense for the Chiefs. That guy gets it. Todd Haley, not so much.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
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Reid designed a really cool offense around the talent he has.

Haley makes tee times for Monday afternoon and doesn’t give a fuck about his shit product on the field. And tomlin is a bigger fuckwad for sitting idle. I agree with B2B. We might have the 2-3rd worst offense in the league. Imagine that.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:19 pm 
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Mike Tomlin and especially Todd Haley are the 2 worst guys you can have leading this group of personnel, in that they have zero concept of how to mold, shape and run an offense. I'm amazed Ben has done whats hes done with this coaching staff steering the ship over the years. Also ur OL especially the 2 tackles have been awful. We desperately need Gilbert back.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin has to go
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:49 pm 
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steelmann58 wrote:
Rodgers today did it without 87 and NO running game and missing 2 impact members of his OL.


They had a great running game today


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