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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:27 pm 
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Noll was not very popular either his last several years (game has passed him by, etc.)

Us Steeler fans are spoiled- we've had three of the best coaches in football history, warts and all. A lot of franchises would kill for the pedigree we've had.

Yes Tomlin drives me mad sometimes but perspective is important.

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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:28 pm 
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No one here was heartbroken when Cowher stepped down....particularly after he slept walked through his final season.


I was sorry to see him go. I liked him.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:54 pm 
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JackSplat58 wrote:
Noll was not very popular either his last several years (game has passed him by, etc.)

Us Steeler fans are spoiled- we've had three of the best coaches in football history, warts and all. A lot of franchises would kill for the pedigree we've had.

Yes Tomlin drives me mad sometimes but perspective is important.


And what's the perspective to which you refer?

Noll....one of the best ever.

Cowher/Tomlin both have enough dumbfuckedness that more than offsets their positives.
*Cowher all fire & spittle that masks his considerable weaknesses
*Tomlin with an exceedingly well-developed line of bullshit that masks his considerable weaknesses

Neither of these fucks could beat Bill Belichick when it really counted. Both won Super Bowls when someone else either knocked Belichick's team out of the playoffs or when Tom Brady broke his fuckin' leg.

Best coaches in football history??? Gimme a fuckin' break!! What game have you been watching??


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:48 am 
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I also imagine Tomlin having Ben his entire tenure means nothing to you. I seriously believe that, but you'd be wrong there too. And enough with the race baiting bullshit.



He probably thinks Korkie was a better QB. Gee, I wonder why that is?

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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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I also imagine Tomlin having Ben his entire tenure means nothing to you. I seriously believe that, but you'd be wrong there too. And enough with the race baiting bullshit.



He probably thinks Korkie was a better QB. Gee, I wonder why that is?


Put another way, there is a certain segment of Steelers fans that hate Tomlin solely (or primarily) because he is black. There is also a segment of fans that love him solely (or primarily) because he is black. The biggest difference is the latter accuse all detractors of Tomlin of being racist.


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:19 pm 
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swissvale72 wrote:
JackSplat58 wrote:
Noll was not very popular either his last several years (game has passed him by, etc.)

Us Steeler fans are spoiled- we've had three of the best coaches in football history, warts and all. A lot of franchises would kill for the pedigree we've had.

Yes Tomlin drives me mad sometimes but perspective is important.


And what's the perspective to which you refer?

Noll....one of the best ever.

Cowher/Tomlin both have enough dumbfuckedness that more than offsets their positives.
*Cowher all fire & spittle that masks his considerable weaknesses
*Tomlin with an exceedingly well-developed line of bullshit that masks his considerable weaknesses

Neither of these fucks could beat Bill Belichick when it really counted. Both won Super Bowls when someone else either knocked Belichick's team out of the playoffs or when Tom Brady broke his fuckin' leg.

Best coaches in football history??? Gimme a fuckin' break!! What game have you been watching??


Did Splat REALLY call Cowher and Tomlin among the best coaches in football history?

HOLY FUCK, WHAT A FUCKING IMBECILE!

LOL!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:23 pm 
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swissvale72 wrote:
JackSplat58 wrote:
Noll was not very popular either his last several years (game has passed him by, etc.)

Us Steeler fans are spoiled- we've had three of the best coaches in football history, warts and all. A lot of franchises would kill for the pedigree we've had.

Yes Tomlin drives me mad sometimes but perspective is important.


And what's the perspective to which you refer?

Noll....one of the best ever.

Cowher/Tomlin both have enough dumbfuckedness that more than offsets their positives.
*Cowher all fire & spittle that masks his considerable weaknesses
*Tomlin with an exceedingly well-developed line of bullshit that masks his considerable weaknesses

Neither of these fucks could beat Bill Belichick when it really counted. Both won Super Bowls when someone else either knocked Belichick's team out of the playoffs or when Tom Brady broke his fuckin' leg.

Best coaches in football history??? Gimme a fuckin' break!! What game have you been watching??


Since you bring up the Patriots, who were their two best coaches other than Bellicheat? Were those two guys better than Cowher or Tomlin? Any of them win rings? Perspective.


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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Ice wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
JackSplat58 wrote:
Noll was not very popular either his last several years (game has passed him by, etc.)

Us Steeler fans are spoiled- we've had three of the best coaches in football history, warts and all. A lot of franchises would kill for the pedigree we've had.

Yes Tomlin drives me mad sometimes but perspective is important.


And what's the perspective to which you refer?

Noll....one of the best ever.

Cowher/Tomlin both have enough dumbfuckedness that more than offsets their positives.
*Cowher all fire & spittle that masks his considerable weaknesses
*Tomlin with an exceedingly well-developed line of bullshit that masks his considerable weaknesses

Neither of these fucks could beat Bill Belichick when it really counted. Both won Super Bowls when someone else either knocked Belichick's team out of the playoffs or when Tom Brady broke his fuckin' leg.

Best coaches in football history??? Gimme a fuckin' break!! What game have you been watching??


Since you bring up the Patriots, who were their two best coaches other than Bellicheat? Were those two guys better than Cowher or Tomlin? Any of them win rings? Perspective.


Tom Flores won two rings. Is he among the best coaches in football history? Plenty of coaches have won a ring that wouldn't qualify as one of the best in history...and several of them I would take over either Cowher or Tomlin. Then, of course, there's the guys that won more than one. Yeah....perspective.


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Flores won a Super Bowl in New England?


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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Ice wrote:
Flores won a Super Bowl in New England?


Doesn't matter....I'm responding to the biz about "best coaches in football history." And pointing out that, even though these two (Tomlin/Cowher) each won a Super Bowl, neither was able to beat Bill Belichick in a game that truly counted.


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I always thought parcells a fine coach..and jimmy Johnson good too..i think tomlin and cowher both a step or 2 behind these guys.. prob others worth mentioning but not thinking now.


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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swissvale72 wrote:
Ice wrote:
Flores won a Super Bowl in New England?


Doesn't matter....I'm responding to the biz about "best coaches in football history." And pointing out that, even though these two (Tomlin/Cowher) each won a Super Bowl, neither was able to beat Bill Belichick in a game that truly counted.


The point is that the last three Steelers coaches have rings. Name another team that can say that and I'll shut up.


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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Ice wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
Ice wrote:
Flores won a Super Bowl in New England?


Doesn't matter....I'm responding to the biz about "best coaches in football history." And pointing out that, even though these two (Tomlin/Cowher) each won a Super Bowl, neither was able to beat Bill Belichick in a game that truly counted.


The point is that the last three Steelers coaches have rings. Name another team that can say that and I'll shut up.


Part of which is due to the Steelers brass giving HCs serious tenure. Are there other teams that have only had three HCs since 1969?

Noll: 23 years
BC: 15
MT: 10 and counting

Hard to say if the team would have more or less rings if ownership did not give HC hires so much rope. But Noll taught the Rooney's to stick with the date that brung ya.

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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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Ice wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
Ice wrote:
Flores won a Super Bowl in New England?


Doesn't matter....I'm responding to the biz about "best coaches in football history." And pointing out that, even though these two (Tomlin/Cowher) each won a Super Bowl, neither was able to beat Bill Belichick in a game that truly counted.


The point is that the last three Steelers coaches have rings. Name another team that can say that and I'll shut up.


I don't think that point much matters, Ice. The challenge is this notion that Cowher & Tomlin are among the "best coaches in football history." Do you think that's true?


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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Depends how long you want to extend the list. You could make a case for Cowher in the top 20.


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 Post subject: Re: Bryant might be a healthy scratch this week.
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Best in history? Nope.

To Cowher’s credit he strung together a lot of wins with some really medicocre to bad QBs. Now he was a big part of reason we rolled with said QBs so fault to him there. But that doesn’t change the point. He finally got a QB on the field and promptly won a SB. Had that occurred earlier in his career before he lost his fire he likely has more rings.

With Tomlin it’ll be the opposite. Early success by havin a QB that hid the warts. QB is now playing poorly and the team looks to be without a clue. More of that is to come is quite the possibility.

What differentiates Cowher/Tomlin from Noll before them and Bellichick today is approach. Noll & Bellichick were and are sticklers for the details. Small mistakes in practice can become big mistakes in games. So they drill the small stuff. They work on something over and over till it is right. Lots of former and current Pats players have spoken to what a Patriots practice is like. As have former Steelers that played under Noll. I think it was Blier that said people used to mistakenly think the Steelers were a bunch of guys out there playing like a bunch of crazies. He said opposite was true. They were methodical in their approach and became a well oiled machine. Noll would say “success is a result of the habits that you create”. Now that’s not only usefule in football but in life.

While I’m sure Cowher/Tomlin do these things to some degree it certainly doesn’t appear to be the case nor do we have players alluding to this. Their approach leans more toward emotion.

And when that emotion runs flat (like it typically does vs. lesser teams) we end up playing sloppy uninspired football. Because when you don’t demand excellence in the small things, it becomes easy to to forget them on the field. Especially when you aren’t as “fired up” for the game as you may be with others.

There is a reason Cowher & Tomlin led teams always seem to need their backs against the wall before they get their shit together.

Something they used to tell us in the Marine Corps is the 7 P’s

Prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

Does what Tomlin “puts on tape” look like a guy that thinks ahead?


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