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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:53 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
I don’t understand having technology at your fingertips and they don’t use it to help referee the game - same in baseball. They are still using chains to measure first downs, total BS


The game was BETTER without all that! Now they're obsessed with making it perfect and the truth is, it can't be done, and imposing all the technology CRAP on the game just ruins the experience.

Soccer has it right with NO REVIEWS, but the ASSHOLES from the USA want to ruin everyone else's sports too.


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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:55 am 
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Jobus Rum wrote:
Rocky Mtn Stiller wrote:
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4806928/referee-on-controversial-overturned-jets-td-it-was-pretty-obvious

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If Seferian-Jenkins as a runner touched the pylon first, it would be a touchdown?

"No. You've got to keep in mind, he doesn't have possession of the football yet. When he lost the ball short of the goal line, when he lost the ball, he re-gained control but that doesn't mean he possesses the ball. He doesn't possess the ball until he's completed going to the ground now and re-controlling the ball, which he did not survive the ground, which is why it wasn't a touchdown. Had he never lost control of the ball in the first place, you would have a touchdown. But because he lost the ball and now has to re-establish control of the ball, that was the period of time."


This kind of crap is mind boggling.

This type of bullshit is what “replay” has brought. Destroying the nature of the game under the guise of getting the call right.


100% This^^^

Replay sucks, has ruined every sport that uses it!

And for every call they get right, so many others are wrong or at least baffling.


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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:38 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
I don’t understand having technology at your fingertips and they don’t use it to help referee the game - same in baseball. They are still using chains to measure first downs, total BS

I do. It’s not nuclear warfare or life changing medical breakthrough. It’s just a fucking game!
I’m with Nick on this one. ( :shock: did I really just say that?!. :lol: )

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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:58 am 
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Rocky Mtn Stiller wrote:
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4806928/referee-on-controversial-overturned-jets-td-it-was-pretty-obvious

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If Seferian-Jenkins as a runner touched the pylon first, it would be a touchdown?

"No. You've got to keep in mind, he doesn't have possession of the football yet. When he lost the ball short of the goal line, when he lost the ball, he re-gained control but that doesn't mean he possesses the ball. He doesn't possess the ball until he's completed going to the ground now and re-controlling the ball, which he did not survive the ground, which is why it wasn't a touchdown. Had he never lost control of the ball in the first place, you would have a touchdown. But because he lost the ball and now has to re-establish control of the ball, that was the period of time."


This kind of crap is mind boggling.


Is that even English?

They spilt a lot of ink without saying anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:10 am 
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The quote above is the one that made no sense to me. Re-gains control but does not posess the ball? What fun football is!


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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:27 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
I don’t understand having technology at your fingertips and they don’t use it to help referee the game - same in baseball. They are still using chains to measure first downs, total BS

The technology already is in place to put rfid in balls, map out a grid of the field, and to know exactly where the ball is at all times. The company that put it together is the same one that developed the 1st down line overlay and it uses some of the same technology.

The NFL has refused to implement this technology for several years now.

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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:30 am 
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Nick79 wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
I don’t understand having technology at your fingertips and they don’t use it to help referee the game - same in baseball. They are still using chains to measure first downs, total BS


The game was BETTER without all that! Now they're obsessed with making it perfect and the truth is, it can't be done, and imposing all the technology CRAP on the game just ruins the experience.

Soccer has it right with NO REVIEWS, but the ASSHOLES from the USA want to ruin everyone else's sports too.


Replay is awful, but correctly implementing technology would remove some of the ambiguity and interpretation from the game.

Putting a chip in the ball that can sense the goal line completely removes any interpretation and the result would be instant. If the sensor is triggered, it's a TD. If it wasn't triggered, then there's no TD. End of story, no argument.

Same with first downs.

There'd be far less controversy, and the games would go faster because there'd be no reason to review some of these things.

It'd enhance the entertainment experience, not hinder it like replay currently does.

I completely agree with the person who said the NFL is avoiding these things only because they want people talking about these bad calls. It fills a ton of air time and creates a lot of talking points that otherwise wouldn't be there.

The technology is there, it's cheap enough that the NFL could do it, and it's reliable.


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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:00 pm 
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Some serious mental gymnastics going on in the explanation, and in the end, you can have possession of the ball but not control. Or visa versa, or not, sometimes, if it looks right, when it's obvious. Obviously. On every third sunday of leap year in october, unless it's an eclipse year. In which case a TD is only a TD if you hold the ball with your left hand pinky facing north. Jesus fucking christ.

The reason they don't want to implement technology is because it takes the decision making out of their hands. They want control, to be able to guide games and create parity, and manufacture exciting games down to the wire. Then set up rivalries or match ups later in the year. Or in the playoffs. They put their fingers on the scale. Like every other business.

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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:

Putting a chip in the ball that can sense the goal line completely removes any interpretation and the result would be instant. If the sensor is triggered, it's a TD. If it wasn't triggered, then there's no TD. End of story, no argument.



Not so fast, what if the ball appears to be coming out, we'll still have to review to make sure the ball was in full possession of the runner as he crossed the line. What if it's a pass reception, we'll have to review to see that the receiver controlled the ball all the way through the process of the catch after the sensor was triggered. We may need to slow it down and get several angles and look at it closely for 7-10 minutes to make sure we get it right! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Refs -- something must be done
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Nick79 wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:

Putting a chip in the ball that can sense the goal line completely removes any interpretation and the result would be instant. If the sensor is triggered, it's a TD. If it wasn't triggered, then there's no TD. End of story, no argument.



Not so fast, what if the ball appears to be coming out, we'll still have to review to make sure the ball was in full possession of the runner as he crossed the line. What if it's a pass reception, we'll have to review to see that the receiver controlled the ball all the way through the process of the catch after the sensor was triggered. We may need to slow it down and get several angles and look at it closely for 7-10 minutes to make sure we get it right! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Nick is right. Absolutely..

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