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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:43 pm 
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I get a kick out of the dumfounded looks on the faces in the stands.

"Wut the fuck just happened?"

Fuckin' excellent.

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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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Still Lit wrote:
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Beautiful pass, too. Sure hope we get to see a few more of those. Too many people kidding themselves Ben is not off.

Interceptions and long pass plays take 11 players. It did in that clip from the past, and it does vs. Jacksonville.

The WR has to run through the route and not coast.
Each receiver has to run routes that manipulate the coverage.
Backs and or TEs have to chip or pick up blitzing defenders.
The OL has to provide room to step into the throw.
The throw has to be on time and have the right arc and distance.

We have literally had small issues with every one of those this year-- but as Tony Romo said, it's all been thisclose. All of it has to work. If Bryant runs through his route in Chicago and Ben/Bryant are on the same page re: inside or outside the CB on deep route vs Jacksonville, then we're talking about how great the Steelers' deep game is.

It's just like Red Zone-- erase a penalty here, add a DPI there, catch a ball here, call a better play there, make one more great throw-- you go from shithouse to penthouse.

The entire NFL is separated by a razor-thin margin right now. The Steelers aren't even playing on all cylinders right now and are pretty much inarguably top 3... at least top 5. Considering what they just did to KC's offense, you could make a case that no team is better so far.

On the other hand, they could be 2-4 just as easily. The difference in basically every game is a couple of plays/bounces/calls here and there.


I agree with all of this and none of it is incomnensurate with my post to which it responds.

Ben looked WAY better vs KC. Except for that utterly shit pass to the defender's helmet that AB intercepted.

And we beat Chicago not only if MB does not Dog his route but if Ben does not miss a walk in TD to MB later in the game. Ben's long ball has been off. Hope it's back on track now.

QBs get too much credit and too much blame.


What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:15 pm 
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Havoc wrote:
What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.
I don't disagree with what you're saying. But the biggest difference is that basketball has 82 games. Getting your shooting motion back on track is easier, and game situations allow you to acclimate or make adjustments over the course of a few games. It's psychological more than muscle memory. You don't have that luxury in football. Getting the 'looks' or not is moot.

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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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COR-TEN wrote:
Havoc wrote:
What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.
I don't disagree with what you're saying. But the biggest difference is that basketball has 82 games. Getting your shooting motion back on track is easier, and game situations allow you to acclimate or make adjustments over the course of a few games. It's psychological more than muscle memory. You don't have that luxury in football. Getting the 'looks' or not is moot.


You put your players in basketball and football in situations where they excel. Noone better at this currently in the league than Belichick.

Great defense causes shooting percentages to do down. Open looks cause shooting percentages to go up.

Ben excels throwing the football mid range middle of the field. Always has. It is coaching dumbfuckery to not give him regular opportunities there.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:29 pm 
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Havoc wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
Havoc wrote:
What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.
I don't disagree with what you're saying. But the biggest difference is that basketball has 82 games. Getting your shooting motion back on track is easier, and game situations allow you to acclimate or make adjustments over the course of a few games. It's psychological more than muscle memory. You don't have that luxury in football. Getting the 'looks' or not is moot.


You put your players in basketball and football in situations where they excel. Noone better at this currently in the league than Belichick.

Great defense causes shooting percentages to do down. Open looks cause shooting percentages to go up.

Ben excels throwing the football mid range middle of the field. Always has. It is coaching dumbfuckery to not give him regular opportunities there.
I remember watching the Knicks in a playoff game in the 90's and they gave John Starks a bunch of free looks out the wazoo the entire 4th quarter, and he couldn't sink a basket to save his life. I've seen that happen countless times with other players. I don't disagree that shooting percentages rise with open looks, but sometimes it don't mean shit if the player is 'off.'

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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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COR-TEN wrote:
I remember watching the Knicks in a playoff game in the 90's and they gave John Starks a bunch of free looks out the wazoo the entire 4th quarter, and he couldn't sink a basked to save his life. I've seen that happen countless times with other players. I don't disagree that shooting percentages rise with open looks, but sometimes it don't mean shit if the player is 'off.'


Of course that's true. Don't know what your point is.

Ben got the best looks in the mid range middle of the field in the first half that he has in any half all season and he came alive. Deny it all you want, but that's exactly what happened.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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COR-TEN wrote:
I remember watching the Knicks in a playoff game in the 90's and they gave John Starks a bunch of free looks out the wazoo the entire 4th quarter, and he couldn't sink a basked to save his life. I've seen that happen countless times with other players. I don't disagree that shooting percentages rise with open looks, but sometimes it don't mean shit if the player is 'off.'


Game 7 against Houston and Olajuwon. Starks 2 for 18. Please don't remind me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:36 pm 
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You know I don't know if it has been mentioned, but AB hit the 9,000 yard mark against KC. Tied Randy Moss as fourth fastest ever to do so. Also got TD #52.

He's going to go out as one of the yard monsters. His TD production is shit compared to the greats. Rice, Moss, and Owens. Holy shit did those guys catch balls in the end zone.

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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:04 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:
You know I don't know if it has been mentioned, but AB hit the 9,000 yard mark against KC. Tied Randy Moss as fourth fastest ever to do so. Also got TD #52.

He's going to go out as one of the yard monsters. His TD production is shit compared to the greats. Rice, Moss, and Owens. Holy shit did those guys catch balls in the end zone.




AB is a great player no doubt but its a different game now geared to offense


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:12 pm 
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You know I don't know if it has been mentioned, but AB hit the 9,000 yard mark against KC. Tied Randy Moss as fourth fastest ever to do so. Also got TD #52.

He's going to go out as one of the yard monsters. His TD production is shit compared to the greats. Rice, Moss, and Owens. Holy shit did those guys catch balls in the end zone.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:16 pm 
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Interceptions and long pass plays take 11 players. It did in that clip from the past, and it does vs. Jacksonville.

The WR has to run through the route and not coast.
Each receiver has to run routes that manipulate the coverage.
Backs and or TEs have to chip or pick up blitzing defenders.
The OL has to provide room to step into the throw.
The throw has to be on time and have the right arc and distance.

We have literally had small issues with every one of those this year-- but as Tony Romo said, it's all been thisclose. All of it has to work. If Bryant runs through his route in Chicago and Ben/Bryant are on the same page re: inside or outside the CB on deep route vs Jacksonville, then we're talking about how great the Steelers' deep game is.

It's just like Red Zone-- erase a penalty here, add a DPI there, catch a ball here, call a better play there, make one more great throw-- you go from shithouse to penthouse.

The entire NFL is separated by a razor-thin margin right now. The Steelers aren't even playing on all cylinders right now and are pretty much inarguably top 3... at least top 5. Considering what they just did to KC's offense, you could make a case that no team is better so far.

On the other hand, they could be 2-4 just as easily. The difference in basically every game is a couple of plays/bounces/calls here and there.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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avatar bet we get hit with another unsportsmanlike penalty for excessive celebrating next week?

you got it




I don't mind losing this bet. I await your avatar B2B, we never said for how long, is a week fair?


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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So using the goal post as a prop only counts if you touch the goal post. I'm confused, as are officials apparently.

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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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So using the goal post as a prop only counts if you touch the goal post. I'm confused, as are officials apparently.




apparently...hey I lost the bet fair and square but clearly tomlin hasn't and wont curtail these celebrations..we'll get flagged again at some point no doubt.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:32 pm 
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So using the goal post as a prop only counts if you touch the goal post. I'm confused, as are officials apparently.




apparently...hey I lost the bet fair and square but clearly tomlin hasn't and wont curtail these celebrations..we'll get flagged again at some point no doubt.


We're not the only team in the league allowing our players to enjoy themselves. Nobody in the Philadelphia area seems to be dogging Doug Pederson for letting the players on his team, pretty much accounted the class of the NFC at this point, have a little fun after a score.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:37 pm 
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Ice wrote:
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So using the goal post as a prop only counts if you touch the goal post. I'm confused, as are officials apparently.




apparently...hey I lost the bet fair and square but clearly tomlin hasn't and wont curtail these celebrations..we'll get flagged again at some point no doubt.


We're not the only team in the league allowing our players to enjoy themselves. Nobody in the Philadelphia area seems to be dogging Doug Pederson for letting the players on his team, pretty much accounted the class of the NFC at this point, have a little fun after a score.




honestly I could care less what other teams or HCs do, I care that Tomlin runs a well oiled machine


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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:53 pm 
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I'm just saying that TD celebration isn't really an indicator of whether or not the machine is well oiled.

Your thug linebacker kicking opponents in the nuts after the whistle, on the other hand...


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I'm just saying that TD celebration isn't really an indicator of whether or not the machine is well oiled.




Discipline, which excessive celebrating falls under is a part of it, and we get flagged much more than id like for it. This has been an ongoing problem for Tomlin for more than this season and last.


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I think the loosening of the celebration rule needed a little clarification on the league's part. I don't really see anything wrong with what Bell did the other game, but letter of the law, it was a penalty. I'm sure it was addressed.


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Thanks B2B! :lol:


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GreekSteel wrote:
Thanks B2B! :lol:

I just love that the goalie in your avatar is ready to make a great save and the puck is already in the net.

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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Thanks B2B! :lol:

I just love that the goalie in your avatar is ready to make a great save and the puck is already in the net.




:D


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Thanks B2B! :lol:

I just love that the goalie in your avatar is ready to make a great save and the puck is already in the net.




James Reimer, hes in florida with the panthers now..you want to find and update that pic ill gladly change it.


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I think the loosening of the celebration rule needed a little clarification on the league's part. I don't really see anything wrong with what Bell did the other game, but letter of the law, it was a penalty. I'm sure it was addressed.
I think he was fined because it was "violent" Just like the didn't want B Kiesel launch an arrow while on a knee after a sack. And I'm sure if you emulated shooting an AR14, you'd get fined as well.

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 Post subject: Re: The Brown TD
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:39 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Thanks B2B! :lol:

I just love that the goalie in your avatar is ready to make a great save and the puck is already in the net.




:D

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