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 Post subject: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:39 pm 
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I didn't pay much attention at the time, choosing instead to focus on the TV screen in front of me during the game's final minutes....but some of the reputable posters on this esteemed website were actually arguing that the Steelers should have tried for a two-point conversion after the AB touchdown, which put the Steelers up 18-10.

You fuckin' kidding me??? Some of you seriously think that the Steelers should have bypassed an opportunity to make this a two-score margin in order to chase a 10-point lead. I was just sweating out the extra point, letting out a yelp, knowing that we had regained the two-score lead.

Tell ya what...going for two in that spot would have arguably represented Mike Tomlin's deepest journey into dumbfuckedness, his worst decision ever....and that's saying something!!

Please....stop being stupid on this. I'm trying to get my point across without calling names, attacking the poster as it were....but some of you are making this goddamn difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:42 pm 
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The way our offense looks in the red zone, I'm not sure we should EVER go for 2.

Ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:45 pm 
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Swiss is the King in this commercial....those that felt the Steelers should have gone for 2pts are the spiced honey mead pit of misery dude. :lol: :lol: Dilly Dilly!


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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I agree on the PAT. Hated the punt though.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:47 pm 
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The way our offense looks in the red zone, I'm not sure we should EVER go for 2.

Ever.


At least we didn't have to watch AB try a double move.

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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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I’ll admit that I was thinking ass-backwards there...worrying about the 10 point lead, and not even giving a thought to taking a TD/2 point PAT out of the equation. I guess that’s why I sit my ass in my recliner on Sunday afternoons, and Tomlin makes the big bucks!!! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


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The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


You didn't (or can't) explain why that line of reasoning is wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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tunch wrote:
The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


Steelers may have lost had Tomlin gone for two in that spot.

Dumbest meme in football, eh? One score lead can be overcome in a single possession. Two-score lead takes two possessions to make up Explain what's so dumb about that?


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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tunch wrote:
FromPittWithLove wrote:
Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


You didn't (or can't) explain why that line of reasoning is wrong.


Here's a crazy thought, when you are up by 9, the two point conversion following a TD doesn't tie the game.

How's that for a reason? I don't know about you, but I like to know that my opponent has to possess the ball AT LEAST twice, rather than once, to tie or take the lead. Even if you consider the 2 point conversion a 50/50 proposition, the opposing team still only needs to get the ball once to have a chance to tie.

If this isn't obvious, i don't know what to tell you .


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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Exactly


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swissvale72 wrote:
tunch wrote:
The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


Steelers may have lost had Tomlin gone for two in that spot.

Dumbest meme in football, eh? One score lead can be overcome in a single possession. Two-score lead takes two possessions to make up Explain what's so dumb about that?


Because the average 2pt conversion rate is 48%.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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swissvale72 wrote:
tunch wrote:
The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


Steelers may have lost had Tomlin gone for two in that spot.

Dumbest meme in football, eh? One score lead can be overcome in a single possession. Two-score lead takes two possessions to make up Explain what's so dumb about that?


The thing that is hilarious about this argument is that people wanted Tomlin to go for 2 because it makes it a MORE SECURE TWO SCORE lead. tunch is basically arguing tomlin almost lost the game because he didn't value a "true" two score lead enough.

I guess tunch is Phil Simms?


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
tunch wrote:
FromPittWithLove wrote:
Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


You didn't (or can't) explain why that line of reasoning is wrong.


Here's a crazy thought, when you are up by 9, the two point conversion following a TD doesn't tie the game.

How's that for a reason? I don't know about you, but I like to know that my opponent has to possess the ball AT LEAST twice, rather than once, to tie or take the lead. Even if you consider the 2 point conversion a 50/50 proposition, the opposing team still only needs to get the ball once to have a chance to tie.

If this isn't obvious, i don't know what to tell you .


Downside.

When you're up 8, your opponent flips a coin to...... tie the game. Everything then plays out different.

Up nine, like we all just watched, you lose to TD + FG.

Up ten, we go to OT.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one. Put another way, if the chiefs are going to get two more possessions I would much rather have to have them score on both of them than just one.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


Seems like Tomlin chooses a different line there.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


I don't know. It also changes ho you end up calling offense. Maybe you are aggressive if the game gets tied. Either is possibly defensible. The punt...that wasn't defensible.


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tunch wrote:
FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


What coach kicks a PAT there?


read my comment - if you stop the 2 point conversion, the other team can still win on a fg on a follow up possession


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


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Zeke5123 wrote:
FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


I don't know. It also changes ho you end up calling offense. Maybe you are aggressive if the game gets tied. Either is possibly defensible. The punt...that wasn't defensible.


a decision to go for 2 would have been less defensible than that punt, and the punt was terrible

but hey it seems like you think we would have been in better shape tied than up by no less than 1 if KC scored a TD


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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swissvale72 wrote:
I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


Pete Carroll went for two against NE while up 7.

NFL coaches are very dumb.


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I'll admit I was screaming for the 2pt er but in my defense I was preoccupied in my abode and forgot it was 18-10 and not 18-13 after the AB TD and subsequent xtra pt. So my apologies. I fkd up, the single pt was the correct move to make it an 8 pt score.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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tunch wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


Pete Carroll went for two against NE while up 7.

NFL coaches are very dumb.


Thanks for making our point

9 points is better than 8 points (hence why you forfeit the opportunity for a nearly assured 8 for a 50/50 chance at 9)


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FromPittWithLove wrote:
tunch wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


Pete Carroll went for two against NE while up 7.

NFL coaches are very dumb.


Thanks for making our point

9 points is better than 8 points


A 50-50 shot at being up nine is not better than being up 8.


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