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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:15 pm 
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tunch wrote:
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Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


You didn't (or can't) explain why that line of reasoning is wrong.


Here's a crazy thought, when you are up by 9, the two point conversion following a TD doesn't tie the game.

How's that for a reason? I don't know about you, but I like to know that my opponent has to possess the ball AT LEAST twice, rather than once, to tie or take the lead. Even if you consider the 2 point conversion a 50/50 proposition, the opposing team still only needs to get the ball once to have a chance to tie.

If this isn't obvious, i don't know what to tell you .


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:17 pm 
Exactly


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:19 pm 
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swissvale72 wrote:
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The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


Steelers may have lost had Tomlin gone for two in that spot.

Dumbest meme in football, eh? One score lead can be overcome in a single possession. Two-score lead takes two possessions to make up Explain what's so dumb about that?


Because the average 2pt conversion rate is 48%.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:20 pm 
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swissvale72 wrote:
tunch wrote:
The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


Steelers may have lost had Tomlin gone for two in that spot.

Dumbest meme in football, eh? One score lead can be overcome in a single possession. Two-score lead takes two possessions to make up Explain what's so dumb about that?


The thing that is hilarious about this argument is that people wanted Tomlin to go for 2 because it makes it a MORE SECURE TWO SCORE lead. tunch is basically arguing tomlin almost lost the game because he didn't value a "true" two score lead enough.

I guess tunch is Phil Simms?


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:23 pm 
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
tunch wrote:
FromPittWithLove wrote:
Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


You didn't (or can't) explain why that line of reasoning is wrong.


Here's a crazy thought, when you are up by 9, the two point conversion following a TD doesn't tie the game.

How's that for a reason? I don't know about you, but I like to know that my opponent has to possess the ball AT LEAST twice, rather than once, to tie or take the lead. Even if you consider the 2 point conversion a 50/50 proposition, the opposing team still only needs to get the ball once to have a chance to tie.

If this isn't obvious, i don't know what to tell you .


Downside.

When you're up 8, your opponent flips a coin to...... tie the game. Everything then plays out different.

Up nine, like we all just watched, you lose to TD + FG.

Up ten, we go to OT.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:33 pm 
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You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one. Put another way, if the chiefs are going to get two more possessions I would much rather have to have them score on both of them than just one.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


Seems like Tomlin chooses a different line there.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


I don't know. It also changes ho you end up calling offense. Maybe you are aggressive if the game gets tied. Either is possibly defensible. The punt...that wasn't defensible.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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tunch wrote:
FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


What coach kicks a PAT there?


read my comment - if you stop the 2 point conversion, the other team can still win on a fg on a follow up possession


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:38 pm 
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I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


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