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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:15 pm 
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Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


You didn't (or can't) explain why that line of reasoning is wrong.


Here's a crazy thought, when you are up by 9, the two point conversion following a TD doesn't tie the game.

How's that for a reason? I don't know about you, but I like to know that my opponent has to possess the ball AT LEAST twice, rather than once, to tie or take the lead. Even if you consider the 2 point conversion a 50/50 proposition, the opposing team still only needs to get the ball once to have a chance to tie.

If this isn't obvious, i don't know what to tell you .


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Exactly


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:19 pm 
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The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


Steelers may have lost had Tomlin gone for two in that spot.

Dumbest meme in football, eh? One score lead can be overcome in a single possession. Two-score lead takes two possessions to make up Explain what's so dumb about that?


Because the average 2pt conversion rate is 48%.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:20 pm 
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swissvale72 wrote:
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The Steelers were inches from losing because Tomlin went for one.

"Two score lead" is the dumbest meme in football. It's Tomlin-think. It's Phil Simms-tier thinking.


Steelers may have lost had Tomlin gone for two in that spot.

Dumbest meme in football, eh? One score lead can be overcome in a single possession. Two-score lead takes two possessions to make up Explain what's so dumb about that?


The thing that is hilarious about this argument is that people wanted Tomlin to go for 2 because it makes it a MORE SECURE TWO SCORE lead. tunch is basically arguing tomlin almost lost the game because he didn't value a "true" two score lead enough.

I guess tunch is Phil Simms?


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:23 pm 
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
Swiss, someone even had the audacity to tell me that an 8 point lead is just as good as a 1.5 score lead as evidence for why we should go for 2. Bewildering.


You didn't (or can't) explain why that line of reasoning is wrong.


Here's a crazy thought, when you are up by 9, the two point conversion following a TD doesn't tie the game.

How's that for a reason? I don't know about you, but I like to know that my opponent has to possess the ball AT LEAST twice, rather than once, to tie or take the lead. Even if you consider the 2 point conversion a 50/50 proposition, the opposing team still only needs to get the ball once to have a chance to tie.

If this isn't obvious, i don't know what to tell you .


Downside.

When you're up 8, your opponent flips a coin to...... tie the game. Everything then plays out different.

Up nine, like we all just watched, you lose to TD + FG.

Up ten, we go to OT.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:33 pm 
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You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one. Put another way, if the chiefs are going to get two more possessions I would much rather have to have them score on both of them than just one.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


Seems like Tomlin chooses a different line there.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


I don't know. It also changes ho you end up calling offense. Maybe you are aggressive if the game gets tied. Either is possibly defensible. The punt...that wasn't defensible.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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tunch wrote:
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You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


What coach kicks a PAT there?


read my comment - if you stop the 2 point conversion, the other team can still win on a fg on a follow up possession


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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Zeke5123 wrote:
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You are aware that up 8, the other team can also score a TD and a FG right? If we stop the two point conversion, then they could still win on a FG like we just saw.

Rather than give the chiefs two separate paths to extend/win the game, I'd prefer to give them just one.


I don't know. It also changes ho you end up calling offense. Maybe you are aggressive if the game gets tied. Either is possibly defensible. The punt...that wasn't defensible.


a decision to go for 2 would have been less defensible than that punt, and the punt was terrible

but hey it seems like you think we would have been in better shape tied than up by no less than 1 if KC scored a TD


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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swissvale72 wrote:
I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


Pete Carroll went for two against NE while up 7.

NFL coaches are very dumb.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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I'll admit I was screaming for the 2pt er but in my defense I was preoccupied in my abode and forgot it was 18-10 and not 18-13 after the AB TD and subsequent xtra pt. So my apologies. I fkd up, the single pt was the correct move to make it an 8 pt score.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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tunch wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


Pete Carroll went for two against NE while up 7.

NFL coaches are very dumb.


Thanks for making our point

9 points is better than 8 points (hence why you forfeit the opportunity for a nearly assured 8 for a 50/50 chance at 9)


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
tunch wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
I think we can safely that there's not a single coach in the NFL, probably never was one, that would go for two, up 8 points, 3 minutes and change remaining.


Pete Carroll went for two against NE while up 7.

NFL coaches are very dumb.


Thanks for making our point

9 points is better than 8 points


A 50-50 shot at being up nine is not better than being up 8.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:47 pm 
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While this is fun - if you can't see if for yourself then I'm not sure there is anything I'm going to say that can help ya


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:48 pm 
FromPittWithLove wrote:
While this is fun - if you can't see if for yourself then I'm not sure there is anything I'm going to say that can help ya


Words to live by here sometimes...lol


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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FromPittWithLove wrote:
While this is fun - if you can't see if for yourself then I'm not sure there is anything I'm going to say that can help ya


I did see for myself.

This team was one errant pass from losing.

I'd walk away too if I argued that going for two up seven is a sound strategy.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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This may be the dumbest thread in history. Dumebr than Tomlin considering whether to make throw a red flag and challenge a decision on the field. Any time you can make it a two score game you do. Period. Zero discussion needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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I’m with the OP and others that agree the xtra point was the right call at that point in the game. It meant KC would be forced to put two scoring drives together rather than just one.

I’ve been real hard on Tomlin of late but can’t see any reason to fault this call. Made sense to me at the time and still does.

Now the punt,, that was a gutless cowardly call that did nothing but save 16 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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There were also people here pining for the 2 point conversion at 8-3. Though defensible, I'm of the opinion you don't chase points early and thought the 1XP was the right call.

But what is aggravating to me, is I wonder if these are the same people that don't want Tomlin chasing points when the score is say, 6-0, and they go for 2.

Seems to be inconsistent demands from Head Coaching strategy. 1 week it's criticism for going for 2 early. The next week it's criticism for not.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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Two topics:
1. You get the 1 point, take the 2 score lead in the easiest way possible.

2. I punt. The fact that the punt stunk is irrelevant. A missed or blocked field goal gives them a short field. Try to pin em and play D


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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Miter Saw wrote:
There were also people here pining for the 2 point conversion at 8-3. Though defensible, I'm of the opinion you don't chase points early and thought the 1XP was the right call.

But what is aggravating to me, is I wonder if these are the same people that don't want Tomlin chasing points when the score is say, 6-0, and they go for 2.

Seems to be inconsistent demands from Head Coaching strategy. 1 week it's criticism for going for 2 early. The next week it's criticism for not.


I am hoping that the decision not to go for 2 early in the game, when it did make some sense, means Tomlin is giving up the 2-point experiment. We seem to have lost our touch for it, and as a fan I'd rather enjoy the TD moment than then have to worry about whether we make the 2-pointer.


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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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I think many are arguing they should have went for it rather than try the long FG. You go for it and fail all it cost you was like 15 yards. Convert and it’s likely game over.

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 Post subject: Re: Going for two. Yinz serious?
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DocSteel wrote:
Two topics:
1. You get the 1 point, take the 2 score lead in the easiest way possible.

2. I punt. The fact that the punt stunk is irrelevant. A missed or blocked field goal gives them a short field. Try to pin em and play D


The decision was to punt or go for it, not try a FG.

And from the 36, the ball is getting into the EZ on a punt more times than not.

So that means more often than not, the difference in FP is 15 yards. In today's NFL, you get that much in one play more often than not.

So go for it because you're likely not pinning the Chiefs deep.

On the other side of the 50, I'm going for it on fourth and short more often than not.

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