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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:30 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:39 pm 
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He would have been flagged for the facemask anyway. The 15 yard kind of facemask. Not a fan of Mitchell period, he plays out of control when he isn't taking a terrible angles and missing textbook tackles. He looks for the kill shot on the ball carrier instead of simply wrapping up and taking him down to the ground. Mitchell is a liability in both the run and pass defense. Mitchell has slowed in the last few seasons and he's never been a ballhawk so my hope is he's phased out by some new blood at FS going forward. Or gets and stays injured. Either Wilcox emerges as the next man up candidate or they draft Mitchell's replacement in 2018. I don't care that he was blocked by his own teammate into a compromising position that cost his team. He is consistently a flag producer every season and most the time it's something Stupid that he knows better to do but prefers to play out of control. It might be acceptable if dude could tackle, intercept an occasional pass or two maybe even force a fumble now and again but Mitchell misses more 'textbook' tackles than he accrues. And he's always late to the ball/player because he takes shitty angles and is slow to boot. To say dude is a disappointing embarrassment is an understatement. JMO


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:11 am 
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On play Mitchell and Chickillo had clear shot on Smith; both whiffed. They both then turned and tried to run after Smith. Chickillo runs into Mitchell and trips him. MItchell then falls directly into back of Smith's legs. It was a PF yes but no way Mitchell aimed at lower legs he simply tripped. Media had a field day with "dirty hit" narrative I bet not one of them makes correction.


I said this in the game thread (Didn't see the trip but thought Mitchell started his move before Smith threw).

The guys that just hate Mitchell of course shouted me down.

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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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He would have been flagged for the facemask anyway. The 15 yard kind of facemask. Not a fan of Mitchell period, he plays out of control when he isn't taking a terrible angles and missing textbook tackles. He looks for the kill shot on the ball carrier instead of simply wrapping up and taking him down to the ground. Mitchell is a liability in both the run and pass defense. Mitchell has slowed in the last few seasons and he's never been a ballhawk so my hope is he's phased out by some new blood at FS going forward. Or gets and stays injured. Either Wilcox emerges as the next man up candidate or they draft Mitchell's replacement in 2018. I don't care that he was blocked by his own teammate into a compromising position that cost his team. He is consistently a flag producer every season and most the time it's something Stupid that he knows better to do but prefers to play out of control. It might be acceptable if dude could tackle, intercept an occasional pass or two maybe even force a fumble now and again but Mitchell misses more 'textbook' tackles than he accrues. And he's always late to the ball/player because he takes shitty angles and is slow to boot. To say dude is a disappointing embarrassment is an understatement. JMO


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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He would have been flagged for the facemask anyway. The 15 yard kind of facemask. Not a fan of Mitchell period, he plays out of control when he isn't taking a terrible angles and missing textbook tackles. He looks for the kill shot on the ball carrier instead of simply wrapping up and taking him down to the ground. Mitchell is a liability in both the run and pass defense. Mitchell has slowed in the last few seasons and he's never been a ballhawk so my hope is he's phased out by some new blood at FS going forward. Or gets and stays injured. Either Wilcox emerges as the next man up candidate or they draft Mitchell's replacement in 2018. I don't care that he was blocked by his own teammate into a compromising position that cost his team. He is consistently a flag producer every season and most the time it's something Stupid that he knows better to do but prefers to play out of control. It might be acceptable if dude could tackle, intercept an occasional pass or two maybe even force a fumble now and again but Mitchell misses more 'textbook' tackles than he accrues. And he's always late to the ball/player because he takes shitty angles and is slow to boot. To say dude is a disappointing embarrassment is an understatement. JMO


Isn't 15 yards the only variety of facemask, anymore? And yeah, Mitchell has been a goat several times in his career, I'm just saying that, opinions of him in general aside, he had a competent start vs. a very good offense on Sunday afternoon. If he can keep that level of play up, SBI.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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He would have been flagged for the facemask anyway. The 15 yard kind of facemask. Not a fan of Mitchell period, he plays out of control when he isn't taking a terrible angles and missing textbook tackles. He looks for the kill shot on the ball carrier instead of simply wrapping up and taking him down to the ground. Mitchell is a liability in both the run and pass defense. Mitchell has slowed in the last few seasons and he's never been a ballhawk so my hope is he's phased out by some new blood at FS going forward. Or gets and stays injured. Either Wilcox emerges as the next man up candidate or they draft Mitchell's replacement in 2018. I don't care that he was blocked by his own teammate into a compromising position that cost his team. He is consistently a flag producer every season and most the time it's something Stupid that he knows better to do but prefers to play out of control. It might be acceptable if dude could tackle, intercept an occasional pass or two maybe even force a fumble now and again but Mitchell misses more 'textbook' tackles than he accrues. And he's always late to the ball/player because he takes shitty angles and is slow to boot. To say dude is a disappointing embarrassment is an understatement. JMO


Consistent flag producer? Do you have evidence to back this up? If you do please feel free to share it. Liability? Based on what exactly? The play some want to blame on him where Hilton blitz likely saved a TD? Yeah that was Burns responsibility all day long. Jags ran same fucking play last week and what do you know? Burns had deep coverage responsibility.

Mitchell is by no means a pro bowler but the need to classify a player based on perception and not what actually happens on this board is chronic. It reveals posters that don't bother to watch games but love to rush to tag, label someone based on anger over one or two plays.

Marcus Gilbert a mere few years ago was a prime example of this nonsense. Instead of rushing to fit everything into what you perceive, try actually breaking down a player's entire game and not sprinting for the lighter fluid because you have confirmation bias syndrome.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:12 pm 
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steelclan wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
He would have been flagged for the facemask anyway. The 15 yard kind of facemask. Not a fan of Mitchell period, he plays out of control when he isn't taking a terrible angles and missing textbook tackles. He looks for the kill shot on the ball carrier instead of simply wrapping up and taking him down to the ground. Mitchell is a liability in both the run and pass defense. Mitchell has slowed in the last few seasons and he's never been a ballhawk so my hope is he's phased out by some new blood at FS going forward. Or gets and stays injured. Either Wilcox emerges as the next man up candidate or they draft Mitchell's replacement in 2018. I don't care that he was blocked by his own teammate into a compromising position that cost his team. He is consistently a flag producer every season and most the time it's something Stupid that he knows better to do but prefers to play out of control. It might be acceptable if dude could tackle, intercept an occasional pass or two maybe even force a fumble now and again but Mitchell misses more 'textbook' tackles than he accrues. And he's always late to the ball/player because he takes shitty angles and is slow to boot. To say dude is a disappointing embarrassment is an understatement. JMO


Consistent flag producer? Do you have evidence to back this up? If you do please feel free to share it. Liability? Based on what exactly? The play some want to blame on him where Hilton blitz likely saved a TD? Yeah that was Burns responsibility all day long. Jags ran same fucking play last week and what do you know? Burns had deep coverage responsibility.

Mitchell is by no means a pro bowler but the need to classify a player based on perception and not what actually happens on this board is chronic. It reveals posters that don't bother to watch games but love to rush to tag, label someone based on anger over one or two plays.

Marcus Gilbert a mere few years ago was a prime example of this nonsense. Instead of rushing to fit everything into what you perceive, try actually breaking down a player's entire game and not sprinting for the lighter fluid because you have confirmation bias syndrome.

Excellent, excellent post Clan!

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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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It's not about pro bowls dude. It's about simple football 101. Mitchell is constantly being flagged for stupid shit. Misses assignments by either over running the play as it unfolds, missing textbook tackles, takes lame angles to the ball/carrier and worst yet tries to headhunt far too often making himself an easy target for the flag(s). You'd have to be blind not to see Mitchell is a liability. Oh, and fuck your sheepeople theory bullshit. End of Story.
When was the last Mitchell INT? When was the last Mitchell forced fumble? How consistent are those INT's and FF's over his season's? When was the last Mitchell missed tackle? When was the last Mitchell penalty? When was the last time you watched Mitchell out raced to the sideline and left in the dust? BTW, there used to be the 5 yard type facemask. Guess they've changed that rule? Ok. Read the fucking link AirRescueFF posted. "Mitchell was fined as a repeat offender, having already accumulated two fines for unnecessary roughness." Just 6 games into this season! :lol: moving on.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:08 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
It's not about pro bowls dude. It's about simple football 101. Mitchell is constantly being flagged for stupid shit. Misses assignments by either over running the play as it unfolds, missing textbook tackles, takes lame angles to the ball/carrier and worst yet tries to headhunt far too often making himself an easy target for the flag(s). You'd have to be blind not to see Mitchell is a liability. Oh, and fuck your sheepeople theory bullshit. End of Story.
When was the last Mitchell INT? When was the last Mitchell forced fumble? How consistent are those INT's and FF's over his season's? When was the last Mitchell missed tackle? When was the last Mitchell penalty? When was the last time you watched Mitchell out raced to the sideline and left in the dust? BTW, there used to be the 5 yard type facemask. Guess they've changed that rule? Ok. Read the fucking link AirRescueFF posted. "Mitchell was fined as a repeat offender, having already accumulated two fines for unnecessary roughness." Just 6 games into this season! :lol: moving on.


Ya, I’m with Clan on this. This post isn’t really analysis. It’s basically perception and bias over facts. Mitchell has tremendous warts, but this post is a bit over the top.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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Reading into it..., Much! :lol:
Have at it super internet football analytics dude(s). :roll:
I simply Stated an opinion you don't agree with. Cool. I'm not telling folks they don't watch football as good as the OP'er has continuously stated he does as a backhanded comment. I'm not overgeneralizing folks into a sheepeople blanket statement as an insult either. I'm not trying to convince anyone here that my opinion is fact. Never at anytime did I claim this was 'analysis' and never at anytime did I state I'm an official professional football film junkie, like others have pretentiously implied of themselves. I did however state it was in my opinion and my opinion is to disagree that Mitchell's overall value to this defense/team is even good. For all you wanna be's knock yourselves out. I think Mitchell is a liability and some don't. My Opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:46 am 
Id like to see Wilcox get snaps. Mitchell is highly flawed.


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One more thing. I find it interesting that when I do agree with 'any' agenda driven pursuits I'm never asked for data proving my opinion. I'm never hit with a overgeneralizing blanket sheepeople statement and I'm never accused of improper over the top 'lack of analytics'. Hmmm....


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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77, I'm with you.

I've seen enough garbage from Mitchell this year alone to justify my opinion of him. I don't subscribe to the pack mentality on anything, I do have my own opinions. He's a liability and a loud mouth. I'm glad he got fined. I hope Wilcox gets more reps soon.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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Boomer Esiason and the rest of the NFL crew at showtime thinks mitchell should have been suspended. They say he's dirty. From past episodes.

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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Reading into it..., Much! :lol:
Have at it super internet football analytics dude(s). :roll:
I simply Stated an opinion you don't agree with. Cool. I'm not telling folks they don't watch football as good as the OP'er has continuously stated he does as a backhanded comment. I'm not overgeneralizing folks into a sheepeople blanket statement as an insult either. I'm not trying to convince anyone here that my opinion is fact. Never at anytime did I claim this was 'analysis' and never at anytime did I state I'm an official professional football film junkie, like others have pretentiously implied of themselves. I did however state it was in my opinion and my opinion is to disagree that Mitchell's overall value to this defense/team is even good. For all you wanna be's knock yourselves out. I think Mitchell is a liability and some don't. My Opinion.


Defensive, much? So what if people don’t agree with your opinion. I don’t think I’ve noticed anyone get their panties in a bunch as much as you do when posters don’t agree with your opinions. Relax dude. It’s a message board.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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There's always Ignore?!

I always thought Mitchell was overrated from game one. He hasn't ever gotten any better than what he was before he was cut from the Raiders. With all the success he was part of with the 2013 Panthers Mitchell was not re-signed by the Panthers, Damn you Panthers! Instead the Steelers signed him to a $25Mil contract. Since 2014 Mitchell has 4 INT's, 23 PD, 243 comb tackles and 30 yrs old now. Like I've stated I hope their plan is to replace him soon.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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77, I'm with you.

I've seen enough garbage from Mitchell this year alone to justify my opinion of him. I don't subscribe to the pack mentality on anything, I do have my own opinions. He's a liability and a loud mouth. I'm glad he got fined. I hope Wilcox gets more reps soon.


The extreme celebrating after making a tackle 15 yards downfield over and over solidified it for me. This guys is a poor tackler and a poor influence on everyone on this team. I hope he throws another dirty hit and is suspended for the year. The faster this guy is no longer a Steeler the better.

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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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Mitchell is still a tool box. Least deserving player on the roster right now in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: All 22 look at Mitchell "dirty hit"
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Steelafan77 wrote:
It's not about pro bowls dude. It's about simple football 101. Mitchell is constantly being flagged for stupid shit. Misses assignments by either over running the play as it unfolds, missing textbook tackles, takes lame angles to the ball/carrier and worst yet tries to headhunt far too often making himself an easy target for the flag(s). You'd have to be blind not to see Mitchell is a liability. Oh, and fuck your sheepeople theory bullshit. End of Story.
When was the last Mitchell INT? When was the last Mitchell forced fumble? How consistent are those INT's and FF's over his season's? When was the last Mitchell missed tackle? When was the last Mitchell penalty? When was the last time you watched Mitchell out raced to the sideline and left in the dust? BTW, there used to be the 5 yard type facemask. Guess they've changed that rule? Ok. Read the fucking link AirRescueFF posted. "Mitchell was fined as a repeat offender, having already accumulated two fines for unnecessary roughness." Just 6 games into this season! :lol: moving on.

My complaint with him is his pass coverage skills. MM has had 10 picks in 129 career games including 4 in 53 games w the Steelers. I was shocked it was that many honestly. He consistently looks for the big hit vs the interception. That’s great for 1992. Give me a coverage S please.


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