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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:36 am 
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But you know something Ice, it sure looks like the NFL this season is allowing defensive backs to play more physical and hands on. I don't even know what grabby means anymore, at least for this season.

Not in the games I'm watching. Defenders are barely doing anything, yet drawing flags.


Well that was not the case Sunday in Bengals game. Bengals DBs especially Jackson got away with a ton well beyond 5 yards and deep into routes.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:38 am 
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it's still yggy wrote:
Haden and Hilton show that you can’t cover up your secondary with scheme and hope to be effective. The lebeau system went and got guys from late rounds, taught them the system, keep the play in front, tackle the catch, hold out long enough for the pass rush to get home.

Ultimately that scheme led to 31st ranked pass D.

Now Haden and Hilton are players who can tighten those throwing windows. We can sit and debate is the pass rush better because of the front or the coverage. Truth is they work together. If the D backfield can buy 2 seconds with coverage or take away the primary and secondary options that’s a big win up front.


Hilton was an UDFA and Haden was a gift from Browns.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:41 am 
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steelclan wrote:
it's still yggy wrote:
Haden and Hilton show that you can’t cover up your secondary with scheme and hope to be effective. The lebeau system went and got guys from late rounds, taught them the system, keep the play in front, tackle the catch, hold out long enough for the pass rush to get home.

Ultimately that scheme led to 31st ranked pass D.

Now Haden and Hilton are players who can tighten those throwing windows. We can sit and debate is the pass rush better because of the front or the coverage. Truth is they work together. If the D backfield can buy 2 seconds with coverage or take away the primary and secondary options that’s a big win up front.


Hilton was an UDFA and Haden was a gift from Browns.
Haden was acquired before Coates was traded, yes? I wonder if it was a gift or simply a swap for what each team needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:19 pm 
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I think Burns will be a place holder for Allen or Sutton


Are you drunk or high?


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:25 pm 
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steelclan wrote:
it's still yggy wrote:
Haden and Hilton show that you can’t cover up your secondary with scheme and hope to be effective. The lebeau system went and got guys from late rounds, taught them the system, keep the play in front, tackle the catch, hold out long enough for the pass rush to get home.

Ultimately that scheme led to 31st ranked pass D.

Now Haden and Hilton are players who can tighten those throwing windows. We can sit and debate is the pass rush better because of the front or the coverage. Truth is they work together. If the D backfield can buy 2 seconds with coverage or take away the primary and secondary options that’s a big win up front.


Hilton was an UDFA and Haden was a gift from Browns.
Haden was acquired before Coates was traded, yes? I wonder if it was a gift or simply a swap for what each team needed.


Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.

Hilton was a find, might prove to be biggest find since Ike.

But yeah steelers got lucky that both guys are here now.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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it's still yggy wrote:
Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.
"Back in the crapper" implies they were out of it at some point.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:49 pm 
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Pabst wrote:
it's still yggy wrote:
Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.
"Back in the crapper" implies they were out of it at some point.


Considering all the hoopla for the coach and the optimism for the owner and management team, man, their record is actually worse than usual during this regime's tenure. Turns out that light was the oncoming train, after all.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:41 pm 
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Ice wrote:
Pabst wrote:
it's still yggy wrote:
Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.
"Back in the crapper" implies they were out of it at some point.


Considering all the hoopla for the coach and the optimism for the owner and management team, man, their record is actually worse than usual during this regime's tenure. Turns out that light was the oncoming train, after all.

Yep. Same coach, owner, and management team that passed on Carson Wentz... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Yep. Same coach, owner, and management team that passed on Carson Wentz... :lol:

....and Deshaun Watson.

And that's after the prior regime chose Johnny Manziel over Teddy Bridgewater and David Carr.

And that's after the prior regime traded up to draft Trent Richardson

And that's after they passed on Julio Jones to take Phil Taylor and an extra first round draft pick.....which became Brandon Weeden.


My God, the Browns suck.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Pabst wrote:
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Yep. Same coach, owner, and management team that passed on Carson Wentz... :lol:

....and Deshaun Watson.

And that's after the prior regime chose Johnny Manziel over Teddy Bridgewater and David Carr.

And that's after the prior regime traded up to draft Trent Richardson

And that's after they passed on Julio Jones to take Phil Taylor and an extra first round draft pick.....which became Brandon Weeden.


My God, the Browns suck.


Jesus, when you lay it out like that

What a complete cluster fuck of a franchise

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