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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:06 am 
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I have been a big supporter of JuJu but let us not get crazy here. This offense is still not scoring like it should. I watch the Cowboys and some other teams scoring over 30 points a game and they sure as shit are not going to fail repeatedly in the red zone.

It isn't about JuJu replacing Bryant. This should be a 3 WR offense and there is nothing wrong with having Brown, Bryant and JuJu being those 3 WRs, they are each in their own way prototypical, each brings a different element to the WR position, they all COMPLEMENT each other perfectly. Haley once had a trio of WRs in Arizona in 2008 that all went over 1,000 yards, Fitz, Bolden and Breaston. This is what we should try and duplicate with our trio of WRs. Having Brown with 150 catches is not the answer. Diversify and include all your weapons on offense.

We just need to get Bryant back on track somehow, this offense needs him.

With that being said, Rogers coming up small again this game, dropping a TD pass, is a problem. He just should not see the field at all, I have no confidence in him whatsoever.

JuJu is not just a possession WR, or just a slot WR, he can be a traditional outside WR, his size and physicality and ability to break tackles allows him to make long plays down the field. What would this season be like if the Steelers did not draft him in the 2nd round?

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:19 am 
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JuJu is not just a possession WR, or just a slot WR, he can be a traditional outside WR, his size and physicality and ability to break tackles allows him to make long plays down the field.


Most laughed when Bryant was being compared to Moss and TO.

I'm going to suggest that JuJu is Fitz 2.0.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I have been a big supporter of JuJu but let us not get crazy here. This offense is still not scoring like it should. I watch the Cowboys and some other teams scoring over 30 points a game and they sure as shit are not going to fail repeatedly in the red zone.

It isn't about JuJu replacing Bryant. This should be a 3 WR offense and there is nothing wrong with having Brown, Bryant and JuJu being those 3 WRs, they are each in their own way prototypical, each brings a different element to the WR position, they all COMPLEMENT each other perfectly. Haley once had a trio of WRs in Arizona in 2008 that all went over 1,000 yards, Fitz, Bolden and Breaston. This is what we should try and duplicate with our trio of WRs. Having Brown with 150 catches is not the answer. Diversify and include all your weapons on offense.

We just need to get Bryant back on track somehow, this offense needs him.

With that being said, Rogers coming up small again this game, dropping a TD pass, is a problem. He just should not see the field at all, I have no confidence in him whatsoever.

JuJu is not just a possession WR, or just a slot WR, he can be a traditional outside WR, his size and physicality and ability to break tackles allows him to make long plays down the field. What would this season be like if the Steelers did not draft him in the 2nd round?

Agree. This offense needs to start using all of its parts.
Getting Bryant back into this offense is step 1.
Getting TEs the ball more than once or twice a game is #2.

At this point, Rogers over Ayers is not looking good.
Ayers returning punts improves return game and he does the same things as back up slot guy as Rogers does. But probably a quicker version, which is key in fhe slot for quick completions for Ben.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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There's plenty of room for both JuJu and Bryant on the field.


Exactly. But MB has to realize and accept this. JuJu is now the starter in 2 WR sets. The Steelers play 3WR more often than not, but Bryant has to be willing to get his touches when he can and not assume that he owns the position.

JuJu is the future. Everyone, including Bryant, knows that. Bryant can make a lot of coin on his next contract (elsewhere) by being a team player and contributing in the way Tomlin wants him to.

He has to understand that throwing a tantrum will not result in him getting traded. It's his only way out.

And if he realizes this sooner rather than later, the Steelers will reap the benefits, as they should (they stood with him through his league suspension and rehab).

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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There's plenty of room for both JuJu and Bryant on the field.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Love me some JuJu but we will need more than that to get to the SB.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Havoc wrote:
10 TGTS 7 REC 193 YDS 27.6 AVG 1 TD 97 LONG


If you take away the long play....he still had 6 for nearly 100 :D

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I thought Schuster might get caught from behind. He isn't very fast but fast enough to out run 3 DB's for that Huge, huge score. Most exciting play of the night.


Those of you that saw this will know what I mean. That play reminded me of the Phil Kessel breakaway in OT this past week.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I'm thinking for this offense to really click they have to get Gilbert healthy and back. The run game will improve vastly. Who else shit their pants when Hubbard went out last night? OLine is crucial for this offense's success.
Bryant has to come back looking for any opportunities to explode on the field. Bryant is greedy and there's nothing wrong with that. I expect WR's to be greedy. How to handle it is where Bryant needs to get better.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I like JuJu a lot, but that scouting report isn't entirely wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Steelafan77 wrote:
I'm thinking for this offense to really click they have to get Gilbert healthy and back. The run game will improve vastly. Who else shit their pants when Hubbard went out last night? OLine is crucial for this offense's success.
Bryant has to come back looking for any opportunities to explode on the field. Bryant is greedy and there's nothing wrong with that. I expect WR's to be greedy. How to handle it is where Bryant needs to get better.


I think one of the most important injuries we've had. He's extremely underrated, in both the passing and running games.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I like JuJu a lot, but that scouting report isn't entirely wrong.


Agreed. But if that motivates him to make himself better, this can be more important.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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AB wasn't a precise route runner coming into the league either. Look how good he is now. JuJu will get there. He'll never be much of a deep threat though, which is fine because that's just not what he is.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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There was some inconsistent reports on him during the build up to the draft. Some thought he was too slow or not much of a route runner, then there were others that thought he would possibly be a late first round pick.

When I looked at his game, I leaned more to him being a late first round pick. Everything was there on tape, there was no projection, no squinting of the eyes to see how he would turn out as a player. I loved him as a prospect but thought we had no chance in hell of getting him, thought he would be gone by our late 2nd round pick, that we would have to settle for someone like Chris Godwin.

I will say it again, JuJu can get deep, he can attack the intermediate areas, he can line up as a quasi-TE, be a slot WR, outside WR, the sky is the limit.

He is so young, and his body will get stronger and more developed. He is 215 and runs a 4.54. I wish the Bolden comparisons would stop, Anquan ran a 4.72 40.

In many ways JuJu reminds me of another WR from a couple years ago, one of Bryants teammates at Clemson, DeAndre Hopkins. Here is a WR that just like JuJu, was told he was not big enough, 6'1" 215 to be a true #1 WR, or fast enough, 4.57, to be a deep threat, but just like JuJu he was a physical blocker, and just has 'it". Sometimes people can get so enamored with size, speed, the combine numbers and not see the forest for the trees, not able to see the football player before them.

In terms of what JuJu is doing this year, here are the only numbers that I care about:

36 targets 24 catches, that 66.7 catch percentage is the best among Steeler WRs, better than Browns 60.6%. 24 catches for 424 yards, a 17.7 yard average and 4 TDs. JuJu has 19 first downs on those 24 catches, that 79.2 first down percentage is not just the best on the team, but one of the best in the NFL. He has 5 catches over 20+ yards and 2 over 40+ yards.

I said when we drafted him that he could very well have 60 catches and 7-8 TDs as a rookie. With the way things are now, he may very well have a shot at going over 1,000 yards. Bryant and Rogers are in a funk, and maybe the answer is to fully commit to JuJu as the clear #2 WR leaving Rogers and Bryant to share the #3 role.

And when you think about it, that #3 role can be a lot of things, and be different in a number of ways. Is Bryant's struggles because his best production came when he was not the #2? You look over the years, the deep ball production to Wallace as a rookie, to Bryant, to Coates, did that happen with them being the #2 WR? Or was it because they were able to narrow down their focus and routes, to simplify things to make it happen?

Having JuJu opposite Brown and then being able to line up Bryant inside or wherever, that might be the ticket to get him jump started in a Mike Wallace rookie role when our starters at wideout were Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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SP wrote:
AB wasn't a precise route runner coming into the league either. Look how good he is now. JuJu will get there. He'll never be much of a deep threat though, which is fine because that's just not what he is.


I believe JuJu is like Jerry Rice in the speed factor. Rice wasn't a deep threat but rarely got caught from behind. I saw that in spades on JuJu's long TD and to think he can only get better w/ his route running and separation.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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The key to Juju's success is the way they're using him. He runs a ton in the slot and he gets routes in the middle of the field. They use him in an entirely different way than they do Bryant. Have to get them both on the field and both doing more kinds of routes. It's actually true of the other receivers, too.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I like jujus sense of humor.

Any rate yeah they need both him and Martavis on the field. This lions game to me had sort of a playoff feel. IOW we could see a team like that in the playoffs. Lions do not look bad either. I can see them going a ways in the NFC.

Relying on 3-4 goal line/ red zone stops is not a formula for success. It’s fun to watch but replay that game I’m pretty convinced lions get at least one of those tds. What did they have almost 500 yards passing?

Reason I say this is not to criticize the D but the O. Feeding bell half the offensive snaps is going to bite them. They need to get MB back and McDonald and use them.

Also I’ll add OT issues are a big factor this season. Gilbert needs to return. Villy needs to play better.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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it's still yggy wrote:
I like jujus sense of humor.

Any rate yeah they need both him and Martavis on the field. This lions game to me had sort of a playoff feel. IOW we could see a team like that in the playoffs. Lions do not look bad either. I can see them going a ways in the NFC.

Relying on 3-4 goal line/ red zone stops is not a formula for success. It’s fun to watch but replay that game I’m pretty convinced lions get at least one of those tds. What did they have almost 500 yards passing?

Reason I say this is not to criticize the D but the O. Feeding bell half the offensive snaps is going to bite them. They need to get MB back and McDonald and use them.

Also I’ll add OT issues are a big factor this season. Gilbert needs to return. Villy needs to play better.


We need the offense clicking like it was first half vs Bengals. I am satisfied with the looks the coaches gave us in the passing game yesterday.

We should probably thank the Lions for running into a brick wall on a few crucial near the goal line plays.

I agree, we need to get back to having McDonald involved ASAP.

We need to get something from a WR to go along with AB and JuJu.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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“Juju Smith-Schuster Draft Scouting Report: Will struggle to separate from NFL CBs, not a deep threat, not a precise route runner”

I like JuJu a lot, but that scouting report isn't entirely wrong.




I tend to agree on your take here SP, still a pretty funny tweet by JuJu. He seems like hes a genuinely good dude...the tweet pic of him and Bryant was also a savvy vet type move to smooth things over cuz stuff like what Bryant has been doing on twitter could just easily have gone south and can derail a season


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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The key to Juju's success is the way they're using him. He runs a ton in the slot and he gets routes in the middle of the field. They use him in an entirely different way than they do Bryant. Have to get them both on the field and both doing more kinds of routes. It's actually true of the other receivers, too.


Steelers ran at least 4 plays for JuJu that they previously ran for Bryant. The first pass play was run for Bryant twice, once vs the Jag and Bears zero catches. First down In route with the DB on his back is a Bryant staple that frequently gets stripped out, The dig route on 3rd down, and the one he dropped are all Bryant specific plays. Because if he (Bryant) catches any one of those first two passes he might score and on the dig or the drop its at least 20 yards.

IMO I hope Bryant looks at the film and says "damn he got the same plays as me and he put up 193, I could have put up 250 or 300 if I just get my head around and catch the ball". I agree with Tomlin there is a certain amount of competitor and dysfunction that makes a great WR- and it is ok to express dissatisfaction to those who can solve the problem- not some internet troll baiter. But when one puts on the film and a guy that's slower and younger than you is using your routes to get almost 2 hunnit- That's the wake-up call

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Juju made a beautiful film last night.

Juju vs Lions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXmf_iJZgHQ

It's an NFL video so it doesn't embed. Some of the YouTube comments are funny.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Stallworth16 wrote:
Juju made a beautiful film last night.

Juju vs Lions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXmf_iJZgHQ

It's an NFL video so it doesn't embed. Some of the YouTube comments are funny.


Thanks for posting those highlights, Stalls

Great stuff.

JuJu could become a monster for us. He moves pretty well for a guy his size.


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