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 Post subject: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:45 am 
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Had the pass rush of the game

4th and 7, game on the line

3 man rush....he plowed the center back into Stafford causing a bad throw and basically ending the game.

How huge was that? 3 man pass rush there, dropping 8 into coverage was a ballsy decision. Hargrave made that decision look awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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Very good point. He had at least two guys on him, maybe three as I recall.

Without that effort they convert that fourth down.

A herculean effort to be sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:52 am 
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I watched Hargrave a lot last night. He was a beast. Obviously, Watt, Haden, and Hilton have changed the defense. But, Gravedigger has been an unsung hero especially considering Tuitt has missed a ton of time.

They nailed the Hargrave draft pick. Like they nailed Burns, Davis, Watt, and Juju. Great drafting last couple of years have really turned around the D.

Too bad they missed badly on Dupree. I had to watch another night of him stuffed on pass rushes or running the great loop around Cape Horn.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:16 am 
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Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:24 am 
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Once Tuitt is back that DLine will be beastly. Hargrave is a wrecking ball up the gut. Heyward is still a great end producing pressure after pressure. It was great to see Dupree add pressure last night. I admit I haven't been the biggest Dupree fan as of late. He seems to be a little more consistent as the season goes on. Running Watt from OLB to MLB last night I thought was brilliant. That man can jump and gets elevated. Wanted to see Deebo contribute last night but was disappointed. He sat on the bench all night. Chickillo and Moats were embarrassing. Not so much Chickillo as Moats. Moats is terrible. Could be Moats' last season in B&G.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:46 am 
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SP wrote:
Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave


That's generous of you. He did take on a double team but just did his loop and fell to his knees. In my opinion, I don't think he impacted Stafford much at all. It was just Hargrave steamrolling the center and Stafford panicked.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:03 am 
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SP wrote:
Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave


Bud Dupree is a bust. Maybe not Jarvis level but his ceiling is mediocre OLB. Like every blind squirrel he finds a nut once in a while.

Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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SP wrote:
Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave


The two keys to having a good edge rush: (a) having decent edge rushers and (b) pressure up the middle preventing the QB from stepping up. Hargrave and Dupree worked in unison last night on 4th and 7th.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:56 am 
Overall though I thought the Steelers pass rush underperformed last night


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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SteelerChef wrote:
Overall though I thought the Steelers pass rush underperformed last night


Mostly agreed, but I think in part because we played a soft zone and not enough man. Butler turtled.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:11 am 
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Like Dupree or not, he caused that weak ass move by Stafford.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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Once yesterday, I saw Dupree starting to run the arc but then turn and bull rush pushing his man toward Stafford. Seemed to cause some pressure but I think the pass was completed. Looked like a decent pass rushing move though.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:43 am 
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Zeke5123 wrote:
SP wrote:
Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave


The two keys to having a good edge rush: (a) having decent edge rushers and (b) pressure up the middle preventing the QB from stepping up. Hargrave and Dupree worked in unison last night on 4th and 7th.


Don't you know that you can't credit more than 1 Steeler player per play on this site??????


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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Stinger8 wrote:
SP wrote:
Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave


Bud Dupree is a bust. Maybe not Jarvis level but his ceiling is mediocre OLB. Like every blind squirrel he finds a nut once in a while.

Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.


Dupree has been impactful. I can't label him a bust. They can't all be hall of famers.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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R S wrote:
Stinger8 wrote:
SP wrote:
Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave


Bud Dupree is a bust. Maybe not Jarvis level but his ceiling is mediocre OLB. Like every blind squirrel he finds a nut once in a while.

Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.


Dupree has been impactful. I can't label him a bust. They can't all be hall of famers.


Not a bust, but a disappointment.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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SP wrote:
Bud Dupree collapsed the pocket on that play from the QBs blind side which pushed Stafford up into Hargrave
I watched him a bunch last night. He might not have the stats, but he did apply pressure. Bradford was avoiding him. Seems the hit on Matt Moore had an effect.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:42 pm 
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I think that we underestimate the fact that the Lions were coming off a bye week and schemed Dupree and Watt out effectively. I think I saw Watt make more potential plays in the secondary than he did around the QB. And Dupree was setting the edge and preventing that cut back that has been gashing us since Chicago. I think our interior DLmen looked fantastic as a result. Having Tuitt in there might have made it ugly, but Alu seems to have found himself in there next to Hargrave.

Hargrave might be ready to take that next step of being super effective in the second half of the season. At least that's what I'm hoping

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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I'll also give Dupree credit for the one play on the late goal to go stop. It was a bootleg to his side and he blew up the TE before the going after Stafford. It completely disrupted the play. Too often you see guys immediately go after the QB and get stuck in no man's land.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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seabs926 wrote:
I'll also give Dupree credit for the one play on the late goal to go stop. It was a bootleg to his side and he blew up the TE before the going after Stafford. It completely disrupted the play. Too often you see guys immediately go after the QB and get stuck in no man's land.


Yup...knocked him on his ass. I'm not down on Dupree, as are many of you. Seems he gets harsh treatment here, then makes a play to redeem himself.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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seabs926 wrote:
I'll also give Dupree credit for the one play on the late goal to go stop. It was a bootleg to his side and he blew up the TE before the going after Stafford. It completely disrupted the play. Too often you see guys immediately go after the QB and get stuck in no man's land.


My only complaint was after he knocked his guy straight on his ass he kind of stayed there for a second or two -- once his guy was down he should've charged Stafford to force the throw away or maybe even get a sack if Stafford tried to hold the ball.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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Zeke5123 wrote:
seabs926 wrote:
I'll also give Dupree credit for the one play on the late goal to go stop. It was a bootleg to his side and he blew up the TE before the going after Stafford. It completely disrupted the play. Too often you see guys immediately go after the QB and get stuck in no man's land.


My only complaint was after he knocked his guy straight on his ass he kind of stayed there for a second or two -- once his guy was down he should've charged Stafford to force the throw away or maybe even get a sack if Stafford tried to hold the ball.


Probably thought he was getting suckered in for a middle screen. That lineman went down easier than a folding card table, he was suspicious and played assignment.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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swissvale72 wrote:
seabs926 wrote:
I'll also give Dupree credit for the one play on the late goal to go stop. It was a bootleg to his side and he blew up the TE before the going after Stafford. It completely disrupted the play. Too often you see guys immediately go after the QB and get stuck in no man's land.


Yup...knocked him on his ass. I'm not down on Dupree, as are many of you. Seems he gets harsh treatment here, then makes a play to redeem himself.


Thats the whole point makes A play. Yes he plays 60 plays, makes A play in half 1 and then makes A play in half 2. I said his ceiling is mediocre, that is not a bust literally, but for a guy taken mid round 1 and the best u can be is mediocre I call it a bust. Watch him for 5 plays in a row and all you see is all kinds of activity, arms flailing, body contorting with nothing to show for it. He does hustle though so at least he try's real hard to get hardly anything done.

Much better idea to let him start and wear down the tackle then second half have Watt play LS and Deebo RS and then get an effective pass rush.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:30 pm 
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Stinger8 is right. We can and should expect more out of Dupree. He's not the dominant player that his physical tools indicate that he could be. He's facing NFL RTs and not LTs. Yet, he really struggles to get around them in that loop of his.

He has 13 tackles this year total. 3 sacks (two of which were stunts where he came in free). We simply should be demanding more out of a mid-first rounder....especially since we passed on Shane Ray because of his freakish athletic talent. I expect more from him. Now, yes, he does set the edge on the run well quite often. I'm grateful for that. But, this is a passing league in the end and you have to show moves as a refined pass rusher to beat OTs in this league. He STILL has almost no moves. I can't ever remember a spin move from him. I don't recall the last time he tried a rip move to dip inside the tackle. His use of hands on a pass rush is just as bad now as it was his rookie year.

I get it. We are stuck with him. I also get that his freakish athleticism will cause a big play now and again. It simply isn't enough for me. We need a pre-lazy phase Lamar Woodley at his position and we aren't getting that. Thank God that Watt, Tuitt, Heyward, and Gravedigger are the real deal otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
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BarryFoster wrote:
Had the pass rush of the game

4th and 7, game on the line

3 man rush....he plowed the center back into Stafford causing a bad throw and basically ending the game.

How huge was that? 3 man pass rush there, dropping 8 into coverage was a ballsy decision. Hargrave made that decision look awesome.



Fuckin a right.

Just rewatched and Hargrave put the center on skates and pushed his ass right back into Starford. The left guard was along for the ride trying to grab onto whatever he could. Could be called double teamed but seriously Hargrave blew the center up and the guard never had a chance to do shit except go straight back as well. Now, Bud was dbl teamed and blew his dbl team back to Stafford
But Stafford didn’t step up into the pocket nearly at all. Bud contributed for sure but Hargrave assured Stafford couldn’t step up even though he wanted to. Both blew their guys up and it was awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:48 am 
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Dupree decimated the Bengals last two drives, he blew up multiple dbl teams vs lions, i saw one run where he may have stepped inside and lost the edge. Not to mention he hits like a truck. Some of you have Browns front office level talent evaluation.


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