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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:04 pm 
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Zeke5123 wrote:
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I'll also give Dupree credit for the one play on the late goal to go stop. It was a bootleg to his side and he blew up the TE before the going after Stafford. It completely disrupted the play. Too often you see guys immediately go after the QB and get stuck in no man's land.


My only complaint was after he knocked his guy straight on his ass he kind of stayed there for a second or two -- once his guy was down he should've charged Stafford to force the throw away or maybe even get a sack if Stafford tried to hold the ball.


Probably thought he was getting suckered in for a middle screen. That lineman went down easier than a folding card table, he was suspicious and played assignment.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:06 pm 
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swissvale72 wrote:
seabs926 wrote:
I'll also give Dupree credit for the one play on the late goal to go stop. It was a bootleg to his side and he blew up the TE before the going after Stafford. It completely disrupted the play. Too often you see guys immediately go after the QB and get stuck in no man's land.


Yup...knocked him on his ass. I'm not down on Dupree, as are many of you. Seems he gets harsh treatment here, then makes a play to redeem himself.


Thats the whole point makes A play. Yes he plays 60 plays, makes A play in half 1 and then makes A play in half 2. I said his ceiling is mediocre, that is not a bust literally, but for a guy taken mid round 1 and the best u can be is mediocre I call it a bust. Watch him for 5 plays in a row and all you see is all kinds of activity, arms flailing, body contorting with nothing to show for it. He does hustle though so at least he try's real hard to get hardly anything done.

Much better idea to let him start and wear down the tackle then second half have Watt play LS and Deebo RS and then get an effective pass rush.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:30 pm 
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Stinger8 is right. We can and should expect more out of Dupree. He's not the dominant player that his physical tools indicate that he could be. He's facing NFL RTs and not LTs. Yet, he really struggles to get around them in that loop of his.

He has 13 tackles this year total. 3 sacks (two of which were stunts where he came in free). We simply should be demanding more out of a mid-first rounder....especially since we passed on Shane Ray because of his freakish athletic talent. I expect more from him. Now, yes, he does set the edge on the run well quite often. I'm grateful for that. But, this is a passing league in the end and you have to show moves as a refined pass rusher to beat OTs in this league. He STILL has almost no moves. I can't ever remember a spin move from him. I don't recall the last time he tried a rip move to dip inside the tackle. His use of hands on a pass rush is just as bad now as it was his rookie year.

I get it. We are stuck with him. I also get that his freakish athleticism will cause a big play now and again. It simply isn't enough for me. We need a pre-lazy phase Lamar Woodley at his position and we aren't getting that. Thank God that Watt, Tuitt, Heyward, and Gravedigger are the real deal otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:10 pm 
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BarryFoster wrote:
Had the pass rush of the game

4th and 7, game on the line

3 man rush....he plowed the center back into Stafford causing a bad throw and basically ending the game.

How huge was that? 3 man pass rush there, dropping 8 into coverage was a ballsy decision. Hargrave made that decision look awesome.



Fuckin a right.

Just rewatched and Hargrave put the center on skates and pushed his ass right back into Starford. The left guard was along for the ride trying to grab onto whatever he could. Could be called double teamed but seriously Hargrave blew the center up and the guard never had a chance to do shit except go straight back as well. Now, Bud was dbl teamed and blew his dbl team back to Stafford
But Stafford didn’t step up into the pocket nearly at all. Bud contributed for sure but Hargrave assured Stafford couldn’t step up even though he wanted to. Both blew their guys up and it was awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:48 am 
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Dupree decimated the Bengals last two drives, he blew up multiple dbl teams vs lions, i saw one run where he may have stepped inside and lost the edge. Not to mention he hits like a truck. Some of you have Browns front office level talent evaluation.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:35 am 
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Strom Detmer wrote:
Dupree decimated the Bengals last two drives, he blew up multiple dbl teams vs lions, i saw one run where he may have stepped inside and lost the edge. Not to mention he hits like a truck. Some of you have Browns front office level talent evaluation.


He's been solid when healthy. I agree. He was 1-22 draft pick. You can't look at the pick in a vacuum. That's lazy. Look at the players taken around him. Shane Ray and Shaq Thompson for instance.


Shaq has a whopping 3 career sacks
Shane has 12.0

Buds got 11.5

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:55 pm 
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Dupree seems like he's going to be an above average player, but not a star. That's fine. He offers a different element than Watt and as a tandem I think they will work well. I do think we need to shore up depth. Chick is a pass rush specialist only (and he sucked on Sunday at that too) and Moats is done. Harrison is still okay in limited snaps. Not sure why they don't give him 5-10 snaps a game. He can play one drive in the second quarter and see how the matchup goes most games.


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:00 pm 
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Gravedigger has been better than even his pre draft lovers could have imagined. Great pic. As for Dupree, my main issue with him is that he seems to only have the 1 pass rush move..the wide loop around the tackle, cant he bull rush? rip? swim? spin? Show us that you re thinking and setting something up for later Bud, FFS


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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:25 pm 
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Some-- not all–– of Bud running that loop is by design. He has contain on the QB's right. Can't let the QB get outside to the right immediately.

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 Post subject: Re: Hargrave
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:26 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Some-- not all–– of Bud running that loop is by design. He has contain on the QB's right. Can't let the QB get outside to the right immediately.

But a lot of the time he either ends up on the ground or gets ridden out of the play, which allows the QB to roll out with relative ease.


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