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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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i think we should be fine with either backup


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Good news


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Good news

Have you seen Robert Golden play defense?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Well, in defense of Golden, he did play rather well two years ago when he was filling in for Will Allen. I like him as a core special teams player, a captain, and as a backup safety. To me he is like a good backup QB, he can come in and play well when the need arises for a game or two, but you don't want him to be a long term or full time starter.

Also, I don't think he (Mitchell) ruptured the Achilles, just strained it, I don't think he is out for the season as much as some fans would wish it to be so. I admit he is a weakness in the secondary but putting Golden and/or Wilcox may not improve the situation, we will have to see.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:38 am 
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I don't know if Mitchell will return even at the level he left. Even just a strained achilles is challenging to get back from. Remember Mitchell has lost a good deal of his speed on the back end already. I think Wilcox may be interchangeable with Will Gay the rest of the way. I do not believe Golden is the answer even temporarily. Mitchell was infuriating but Golden is worse IMO. FWIW, love to see if Sutton gets any play time going forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:43 am 
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We had 71 defensive snaps vs Detroit.

Davis - 70
Burns - 70
Haden - 69
Hilton - 43
Mitchell - 38

Golden - 33
Gay - 20
Wilcox - 1

We will most likely see Golden.
I too would like to see more of Wilcox and hope he will be an upgrade over Mitchell for 2018, until a 1st or 2nd round S moves in.
A bad Mitchell injury in no way good for the Steelers as much as I also agree he is a weak link. It just puts new pieces into a defense that has played well and puts our #3 and #4 options on the field, even if we think they MAY be better.

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We had 71 defensive snaps vs Detroit. Here is the rest of the snaps on defense for LB and defensive line for that game

Shaz - 71
Dupree - 67
Watt - 63
Heyward - 59
Williams - 54
Aluala - 53
Hargreave - 39
Walton - 18
Chick - 8
Moats - 5
Dirty Red and Fort - 1
Harrison - 0

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I hope Shazpussy/Tubmonster works out

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Looks like we will be looking for a FS for sure now in the draft.
Problem is that this draft sucks at FS.


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I would like to see more of Wilcox.


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I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Injured achilles? He'll never golf again.


I think that's for hamstrings. :lol:


He'll push everything to the right. Well done fellas!

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Lynch wrote:
Good news

Have you seen Robert Golden play defense?


This x1000


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I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Ice wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


Sounds more like an indictment instead of an explanation. With all the "miscommunications" in the secondary, it seems that Mitchell is to "secondary qb" what the Browns are to winning.


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Wilcox or Golden can step in this week and hopefully help contain Brissett and Hilton

If we can't lay 30+ on this shit Colts team, indoors, minus Vontae Davis....

I mean really?

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I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


Sounds more like an indictment instead of an explanation. With all the "miscommunications" in the secondary, it seems that Mitchell is to "secondary qb" what the Browns are to winning.


I try not to use sarcasm with students (Pink Floyd and actual educational research back me up here), so it definitely leaks onto the board if I post when I'm putting in grades.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Bring back Shamrocco


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Wilcox has his good points as well as Golden they have flaws like Mitchell. I think QB is still on the early list for next year and still think they also look for a TE too.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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My problem with Mitchell is that we aren't getting our money's worth. I saw online that his cap hit this year is over $8 million bucks per season. We are on the hook for the about the same next season. Can anyone confirm?

If so, wtf... :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Still limited today. Not going to make it. Brian Allen CB to dress.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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ChicagoSteel wrote:
My problem with Mitchell is that we aren't getting our money's worth. I saw online that his cap hit this year is over $8 million bucks per season. We are on the hook for the about the same next season. Can anyone confirm?

If so, wtf... :evil:



It is misleading what his cap hit is because the team restructured his contract to free up money so that they could sign other players. This is the way the Steelers do business and they do this with their core players.

Mitchell signed a 5 year $25 million contract. It came with just a $4.75 million signing bonus. He did have two roster bonuses, a $500,000 in 2014 and a $2 million in 2015.

In 2015, they took that roster bonus, and a good bit of his salary that year and they restructured it, turning it into a signing bonus. That meant that they freed up some $3.25 million which they used to sign other players.

The next season in 2016, Mitchell was to make $5 million in base but they restructured his contract and paid out $4.15 million to him in the form of a signing bonus and it reduced his base salary to $885,000. This freed up money so that they were able to get David DeCastro's deal done.

Omar Khan and the Steelers usually have low base salaries for their players upfront and then at the backend the base salary increases significantly. Where it gets kind of crazy is that those last couple years can be artificially high because of those restructures.

Yes, Mitchell is scheduled to make just $5 million in base salary for 2017 and 2018 but the pro rated portion of his original signing bonus, $950,000 and the pro rated portion of his restructured bonus, $2.2 million push his cap hit to $8.1 million. It is no different than what they have done with Lawrence Timmons, or Marcus Gilbert, or Cam Heyward, when they need money they go to their core players and restructure and they create and structure the contracts accordingly when they sign those players to begin with.

Don't hate Mike Mitchell, don't hate the player, hate the game, hate Omar Khan and the Steelers for doing their contract this way. Me? I have no problem with it, it works, we keep a lot of star players, we are in contention, a playoff caliber team, it obviously is working.

That being said, I cut Mitchell next season. They are to pay him $5 million in base next year and so that would save $5 million, they would still be on the hook for some $3 million because of the last pro rated portions of his signing bonus and restructured bonuses. His body is breaking down, can't stay healthy. He wasn't able to play much in the preseason because of injury and now he is going to miss time with this achilles. Seems like it always something with him, shoulder, groin, etc. Time to move on.

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That being said, I cut Mitchell next season. They are to pay him $5 million in base next year and so that would save $5 million, they would still be on the hook for some $3 million because of the last pro rated portions of his signing bonus and restructured bonuses.


I can't see how they'd be able to pay Haden, Bell AND Mitchell.

Mitchell is done. They'll probably try to shop him for an R6 or R7, but I'm pretty sure teams will just wait for him to be cut.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I remember tweaking my Achilles. Was in the outfield for slow pitch corporate softball, thinking to myself I just tweaked my Achilles and I wonder if I should worry about.......5 minutes later I swung for the fences and smashed one right down the first base line, just short of passing the pitcher’s mound but fair. Three to five sprint steps towards first base I was facing homeplate somehow with a completely ruptured Achilles. Drove myself to urgent care and one sizable scar and 4 years later all is back to 90% normal.

This is what would be going through my mind if I was Mitchell.


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Still limited today. Not going to make it. Brian Allen CB to dress.

Good. I want Allen with as much PT as he can get. I know it may be just ST's too. I think Allen and Sutton should both dress and play Sunday.


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