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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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It's interesting how this discussion has spread onto other sites. For example BTSC did some fact checks and came up with some numbers. Some pretty good analysis. BTSC goes on to create a full chart table and explain just how impressive Tomlin led Steelers actually have been/are.

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Consider: in the first half of seasons (games No. 1 through No. 8 each year), including 2017, the Steelers are 56-32 in 88 games under Tomlin. In the second half of seasons (games No. 9 through No. 16), the Steelers are 53-27 in 80 games. Those are good for winning percentages of .636 and .663, respectively.
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Tomlin’s second-half record against the eight teams left on the schedule is 24-15 (.615). This includes overall losing records to the Ravens (4-5) and Patriots (1-3), leaving him 19-7 (.731) against the other six opponents. While Tomlin takes a lot of flak from fans and the media for some losses that left almost everyone speechless, it’s hard to argue with the overall result: he wins a lot, and his teams get better as the season wears on.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/p ... itself-nfl

Note: We used to have analysis like this in here.

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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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Needing a win on the road against a bad Ravens team to make the playoffs, led by Ryan Mallet we.......

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F0AeAHPi1GI

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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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R S wrote:
What is Tomlins record as a favorite on the road in say, the last 4 years?


Because even though it seems like it, they haven't been laying eggs on the road against bad teams for all that long. Just the last few years.

Since 2014, 12 - 6.

Just for comparison, Harbaugh is 5 - 6.

If we checked New England, of course, we would get ridiculously better numbers than Pittsburgh (or anyone else).


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What is Tomlins record as a favorite on the road in say, the last 4 years?


Because even though it seems like it, they haven't been laying eggs on the road against bad teams for all that long. Just the last few years.

Since 2014, 12 - 6.

Just for comparison, Harbaugh is 5 - 6.

If we checked New England, of course, we would get ridiculously better numbers than Pittsburgh (or anyone else).


Losing to Cleveland and Oak on the road twice in a 3 year span was what started it all

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R S wrote:
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What is Tomlins record as a favorite on the road in say, the last 4 years?


Because even though it seems like it, they haven't been laying eggs on the road against bad teams for all that long. Just the last few years.

Since 2014, 12 - 6.

Just for comparison, Harbaugh is 5 - 6.

If we checked New England, of course, we would get ridiculously better numbers than Pittsburgh (or anyone else).


Losing to Cleveland and Oak on the road twice in a 3 year span was what started it all


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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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R S wrote:
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What is Tomlins record as a favorite on the road in say, the last 4 years?


Because even though it seems like it, they haven't been laying eggs on the road against bad teams for all that long. Just the last few years.

Since 2014, 12 - 6.

Just for comparison, Harbaugh is 5 - 6.

If we checked New England, of course, we would get ridiculously better numbers than Pittsburgh (or anyone else).


Losing to Cleveland and Oak on the road twice in a 3 year span was what started it all

When was that?


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Looking at some Sunday games I can't help but root for SBI. Of course Pit over Ind.

DEN>NE
CIN>TEN

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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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I listened to the podcast (which was good) and yes, their defense is legit, but a 30-9 drubbing with bortles throwing under a 100 yards is bad. I get that those picks weren’t all on Ben and if anything that shows shit tends to happen to this team in bunches.

They have lost to bad teams in recent history. I’m thrilled at 6-2. Let’s not think because the Steelers have been anointed the “team to beat in the AFC” (by the way, was anyone saying that after Jax?) that they can’t lose to anyone one. I’m certain that they can.


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Steelafan77 wrote:
Looking at some Sunday games I can't help but root for SBI. Of course Pit over Ind.

DEN>NE
CIN>TEN

You might want to add LA Chargers over Jacksonville-- Jacksonville needs to finish below us and below KC/NE.

Orange-- Just a bad matchup for us. We were struggling at that time with run fits and Bell's fitness. Got behind and they made some plays.

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Yep, forgot that game, lol.

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In a short 16 game season where but one loss can mean road vs home or not even getting an invite to the dance it amazes me how coaches and players don’t take all of them serious.


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In a short 16 game season where but one loss can mean road vs home or not even getting an invite to the dance it amazes me how coaches and players don’t take all of them serious.


You mean like we control the 1 seed currently and a slip up against a shit team like the Colts could mean the difference between going to NE and getting embarrassed vs playing at home with a good chance?

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Whoa, dude. Too much optimism will break the bank.

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COR-TEN wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=15BjNDW5b0s
Whoa, dude. Too much optimism will break the bank.


Ok that made me laugh

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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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I'll take any W....I'll bitch about slop 'n slather, but I'll take it.

It's not a small challenge to have 2 games in 5 days after a bye - we'll see just how focused on home field the players and coaches really are.

Why the NFL doesn't try to schedule Thursday games after a bye is beyond me. MNF - bye - Thurs - Sun.....that's 10 days and 9.5 days between a couple games, which seems pretty nice. Although 14 days and 9.5 days is pretty nice, too, but still sandwiched around 2 games in 5 days.

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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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Nope, Barry stated they have failed to win coming off the bye week in 3 straight seasons, so confidence isn't running high on this one. Let's recap - losses in 3 straight after the bye week, ill-prepared to take on a team at the bottom that we should literally curb stomp, on the road, playing against a meh QB with a decimated D. Yep, sounds ripe for a loss to me. I did, however, pick the Steelers to win in the score game, but I slept at a Holiday Inn that night! We'll see in two days if Tomlin and Co. can overcome their glaring incompetencies and go out to take control of the AFC or if they play not to lose, looking past another team that also has professional athletes on it (which they then normally do).


They were undefeated under Tomlin after the bye week prior to those last three games, I believe.

So your interpretation is wrong.


Okay, I can accept that they are 50-50 in the last 6 games ( I don't look it up, but I'll trust you and Barry). However, the interpretation is not completely wrong as one tends to lean more toward the "what have you done lately" philosophy as the more recent more often than not becomes the precedent. If he was undefeated coming off the bye for 15 years, but then the last 5 years he lost each time - more weight is placed on the last 5 years as a better indication of what to expect, even though he would be 15-5 (which looks damn good but becomes a fallacy). Logically speaking, the 3 most current losses out weigh the 3 previous wins, speaking of myself of course. How others would interpret the numbers would be up to them, but losing the last three games coming off the bye doesn't exactly inspire a solid level of confidence!


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 Post subject: Re: Gilbert declares Colts a "trap game"
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955876 wrote:
In a short 16 game season where but one loss can mean road vs home or not even getting an invite to the dance it amazes me how coaches and players don’t take all of them serious.

I'm sure they do, but it's a long season, and I'm sure it's a grind and probably very difficult to stay "up" for each and every game.

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Gentlemen,

We have a different team this year. Take a look at the Steelers' roster for the games they lost against bad teams in previous years, and look at their roster now. See any differences? Yes, we lost to the Bears and Jags this year. It was early in the year, and we had a lot of new pieces to put together. While this is the NFL, and on any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone, blah blah blah, and we could lose to the Colts, there is seriously no reason to fear this game more than any other.

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I've been conditioned by the board. :(


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Gentlemen,

We have a different team this year. Take a look at the Steelers' roster for the games they lost against bad teams in previous years, and look at their roster now. See any differences? Yes, we lost to the Bears and Jags this year. It was early in the year, and we had a lot of new pieces to put together. While this is the NFL, and on any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone, blah blah blah, and we could lose to the Colts, there is seriously no reason to fear this game more than any other.


Slop and slather. 16-13. Avatar bet?

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