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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:08 pm 
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The logic is that the NE receiver didn't lose control upon the ball contracting the ground (i.e. the ball didn't move in his hands). It does in the case of the James catch.

The ball totally moves when Cooks hits the ground. The point is exposed because he just barely has control, then the bottom of the ball hits the ground and moves in his grasp--the classic example of using the ground to help catch the football.

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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:39 pm 
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The logic is that the NE receiver didn't lose control upon the ball contracting the ground (i.e. the ball didn't move in his hands). It does in the case of the James catch.

The ball totally moves when Cooks hits the ground. The point is exposed because he just barely has control, then the bottom of the ball hits the ground and moves in his grasp--the classic example of using the ground to help catch the football.


I asked Mike Perrira and Al Riveron on Twitter to explain why Cooks got a TD and James didn't.

No response from either yet...no surprise.

I know it's going to be "He got two feet down" to which I'll respond "Doesn't one knee = two feet"?

Actually I know it's going to be silence because neither will get back to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:43 pm 
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Let’s all agree the nfl is on a slippery slope to extincroon

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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:13 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:

The Patriots are only in the number one seed position because they benefitted from a replay review on a last-minute TD catch where the receiver bobbled the ball, the ball got jostled when he hit the ground... and it was ruled COMPLETE!


Is the difference in this scenario is the defender contacted Cooks and "forced" him OOB?
I don't know...just seems like a crucial distinction.[/quote]

But why should it matter whether a defender makes contact prior to going to ground in bounds or out?[/quote]

I don’t know what the official’s explanation was for allowing Cooks’ TD to stand...don’t even know if they delayed the game long to look at it.

If I had to guess, I would guess they considered Cooks’ getting two feet down to be the end of the pass play, and his jumping out of bounds to be a distinct act.

Whereas James’ landing on his knee and then stretching the ball forward to get into the EZ as all part of one act of going to the ground.

Making it a...wait for it...judgment call on what’s supposed to be a clear rule.

Me? I think the reaching was a distinct act...the act of a “runner” who had already completed the act of going to the ground when his knee and hip hit the ground. That’s my judgement.[/quote]

Jeemie is exactly correct, which is why the James catch was incorrectly called. James made the catch ( a la Cooks) when he caught the ball with a knee down. James then turned directions and dove for the EZ. Much like Cooks, James made a separate and distinct football move. Thus, James survived initial contact with the ground, became a runner, and broke the plane. Consequently, it was correctly called a TD on the field, and the call should have been confirmed.

Instead, due to intellectual stupidity at the league office (someone going against both common sense and legalistic super parsing of the words) this call was overturned, when the whole thing is a judgment call. I thought judgment calls were (I) not reviewable or (ii) at least subject to clear convincing evidence. At WORST, the call should have stood.


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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:53 pm 
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The problem is the NFL's REAL ruling on the Cooks' TD is they had no clear video angle that showed him losing control of the ball.

To which I say bullshit.

I've seen several photos and videos that were as clear as the ones of James.

They're making judgement calls with this go to ground shit, and hiding the fact they're doing it by saying they're following a clear rule.

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Zeke5123 wrote:

Jeemie is exactly correct, which is why the James catch was incorrectly called. James made the catch ( a la Cooks) when he caught the ball with a knee down. James then turned directions and dove for the EZ. Much like Cooks, James made a separate and distinct football move. Thus, James survived initial contact with the ground, became a runner, and broke the plane. Consequently, it was correctly called a TD on the field, and the call should have been confirmed.

Instead, due to intellectual stupidity at the league office (someone going against both common sense and legalistic super parsing of the words) this call was overturned, when the whole thing is a judgment call. I thought judgment calls were (I) not reviewable or (ii) at least subject to clear convincing evidence. At WORST, the call should have stood.

This is the best "it was a bad call" argument I've seen.

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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
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The fact that all reviews now go thru NY and we STILL have inconsistent applications of the "rules".....really hard to believe the NFL doesn't put its thumb on the scales.

Remember, the NFL is not a competition, it's entertainment.

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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
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Kodiak wrote:
The fact that all reviews now go thru NY and we STILL have inconsistent applications of the "rules".....really hard to believe the NFL doesn't put its thumb on the scales.

Remember, the NFL is not a competition, it's entertainment.


Year after year I drop truthisms from people that spend a lot of time dissecting that notion

Why not again?

http://thefixisin.net/theproof.html

Is a billion dollar business left to chance? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
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Kodiak wrote:
The fact that all reviews now go thru NY and we STILL have inconsistent applications of the "rules".....really hard to believe the NFL doesn't put its thumb on the scales.

Remember, the NFL is not a competition, it's entertainment.


Year after year I drop truthisms from people that spend a lot of time dissecting that notion

Why not again?

http://thefixisin.net/theproof.html

Is a billion dollar business left to chance? :)

Okay, let's say the NFL is scripted. Why are the Patriots so favored? And what about all the other owners? Some teams have never sniffed a super bowl, others have been there but never won. If the NFL is picking winners, and they keep picking the Pats who've won plenty over my team that hasn't won, I'd be pissed. Why are the other owners going along with it?

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Poltargyst wrote:
Okay, let's say the NFL is scripted. Why are the Patriots so favored? And what about all the other owners? Some teams have never sniffed a super bowl, others have been there but never won. If the NFL is picking winners, and they keep picking the Pats who've won plenty over my team that hasn't won, I'd be pissed. Why are the other owners going along with it?


1) Huge tv market
2) A team everyone else loves to hate - like the Yankees - is good for business.

and just for fun...
3) NE spy operations probably have dirt on Goodell and other key NFL employees...the two times that got laughingly slapped on the wrist was just for show.

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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
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Poltargyst wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
The fact that all reviews now go thru NY and we STILL have inconsistent applications of the "rules".....really hard to believe the NFL doesn't put its thumb on the scales.

Remember, the NFL is not a competition, it's entertainment.


Year after year I drop truthisms from people that spend a lot of time dissecting that notion

Why not again?

http://thefixisin.net/theproof.html

Is a billion dollar business left to chance? :)

Okay, let's say the NFL is scripted. Why are the Patriots so favored? And what about all the other owners? Some teams have never sniffed a super bowl, others have been there but never won. If the NFL is picking winners, and they keep picking the Pats who've won plenty over my team that hasn't won, I'd be pissed. Why are the other owners going along with it?


It’s right in that link. Profit sharing. Money for everyone above all else
There seems to be other favors doled out to keep the lower market teams in step

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Wonder what the call would have been had the defender touched JJ’s shoulder while JJ was on his knees but prior to the lunge?


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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wonder what the call would have been had the defender touched JJ’s shoulder while JJ was on his knees but prior to the lunge?





completed pass and down by contact


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 Post subject: Re: Fuck This Sorry Excuse For a League
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GreekSteel wrote:
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Wonder what the call would have been had the defender touched JJ’s shoulder while JJ was on his knees but prior to the lunge?





completed pass and down by contact


Would have called it exactly the same....didn't complete the catch. If catch isn't completed, nothing else matters.


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