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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:51 pm 
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we knew that drawn was coming at that point everyone knew it


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Everyone is focusing on the 2nd and long. The bigger heresy was 1st and 20. Easiest passing down to get 7 yards. We did the same thing on the play before Brown got hurt. A good running play gets you five yards. A good passing play gets you 8 yards. When it’s 1st and 10 the downside of passing may help offset the upside. On 1st and 20 the upside of passing far outweighs the downside.


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Zeke5123 wrote:
Everyone is focusing on the 2nd and long. The bigger heresy was 1st and 20. Easiest passing down to get 7 yards. We did the same thing on the play before Brown got hurt. A good running play gets you five yards. A good passing play gets you 8 yards. When it’s 1st and 10 the downside of passing may help offset the upside. On 1st and 20 the upside of passing far outweighs the downside.


Insult to injury- Conner’s knee injury occurred in the 1st-20 play.

I think Ben Roethlisberger had one...count it....ONE...pass on first down in the second half, outside of the final drive.

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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Everyone is focusing on the 2nd and long. The bigger heresy was 1st and 20. Easiest passing down to get 7 yards. We did the same thing on the play before Brown got hurt. A good running play gets you five yards. A good passing play gets you 8 yards. When it’s 1st and 10 the downside of passing may help offset the upside. On 1st and 20 the upside of passing far outweighs the downside.


Insult to injury- Conner’s knee injury occurred in the 1st-20 play.

I think Ben Roethlisberger had one...count it....ONE...pass on first down in the second half, outside of the final drive.


Insane.


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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ChippedHamSandwich wrote:
That 2 & 23 draw to Frenchy might be Haley’s worst playcall of his dumb fucking career and that is saying something.

Fuck that guy


Totally agree


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:18 pm 
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MB was in for 36 snaps of 67 plays....DHB 31, Eli 25.

How the fuck does that happen??


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MB was in for 36 snaps of 67 plays....DHB 31, Eli 25.

How the fuck does that happen??

Knowing the route tree

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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
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MB was in for 36 snaps of 67 plays....DHB 31, Eli 25.

How the fuck does that happen??

Knowing the route tree


No, DHB played most of his snaps in 2nd half and was run blocking quite often by design.

Sad.


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Romo said in the 4th that the steelers ought not turtle
He said BB was best in the business when a team is predictable ... they shut simplicity down.

It's like Groundhog Day with our coaches ....

They played scared and lost
They were beating the Pats well on O and decided to take the game out of their main players hands.
It is the contradiction of Tomlin ... preaches players over stratagy but pulls the rug out on players to sate his fear. Not sure how you don't stay aggressive through your key players last night in the fourth


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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swissvale72 wrote:
MB was in for 36 snaps of 67 plays....DHB 31, Eli 25.

How the fuck does that happen??


Anyone who tries to defend Tomlin -- please respond to this post. Literally the easiest thing for a coach to do is play your best players. By choosing to play DHB snaps instead of MB, Tomlin choose to play his weaker players. What fucking dumbass. I despise this whole coaching staff.


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Romo said in the 4th that the steelers ought not turtle
He said BB was best in the business when a team is predictable ... they shut simplicity down.

It's like Groundhog Day with our coaches ....

They played scared and lost
They were beating the Pats well on O and decided to take the game out of their main players hands.
It is the contradiction of Tomlin ... preaches players over stratagy but pulls the rug out on players to sate his fear. Not sure how you don't stay aggressive through your key players last night in the fourth


I really wonder if they would have done this had Brown not gotten injured.

Losing Brown obviously spooked the hell out of Tomlin and Haley.

It shouldn't have...Bryant and JuJu, and even Eli, showed they were more than willing and able to step up.

And I wonder if Heyward-Bey got a lot of snaps because they didn't want to pull either Bryant or JuJu out of their normal roles.

Whatever the reasoning...it was stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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They refused to let Ben win it when it mattered


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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They refused to let Ben win it when it mattered


Imagine how Martavis feels today.

"I did everything they asked of me...they don't use me in the second half".

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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Still Lit wrote:
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Funny, Lit.

You didn’t strike me as a person that would deliberately miscast something somebody said because of an agenda.

Where do you think I said the penalties were caused by turtling?


Bc I quickly scanned your post and misinterpreted this:
"The 2nd and 23 is maddening BECAUSE of the turtling mindset.

Turtling affects who you put out there..."

I apologize. (Never confuse incompetence with motive. :lol: )

But while I understand why people are bashing Tomlin for going Turtle, I just don't think we can minimize those back to back penalties. That was an unmitigated disaster. As soon as it was 2 and 23, I knew it was a punt. I knew they were not about to risk a pic down there.

That might be too conservative for their own good, but I understand it.

I don't know that I have an agenda here. Not championing decision for turtle ball. I'm just saying that the penalties ruined the drive. And it was at Heinz. No noise. Just unforced player error that had nothing to do with scheme. Maddening.


At the time, I thought they were obviously throwing in the towel on that possession, for whatever reason. BUT, didn't Berry shank the punt and put us in horrible field position? Help me if I'm mis-remembering.


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Outstanding thread.....does anybody think Art2 thinks about or recognizes this stuff?


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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I just remember screaming in front of my entire family (including 3 young ones..) : Haley is a fucking asshole...Haley is a fucking asshole...I cant believe he's fucking turtling....What a fucking asshole"....

My poor daughter didn't know what to think or say...


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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SteelWill wrote:
I just remember screaming in front of my entire family (including 3 young ones..) : Haley is a fucking asshole...Haley is a fucking asshole...I cant believe he's fucking turtling....What a fucking asshole"....

My poor daughter didn't know what to think or say...


When my now 34 year old nephew was 6 years old, my sister-in-law left him home with his dad (my brother) during a Steelers-Browns game. Steelers that day had Todd Blackledge under center. On the news the next night, with both parents home and in the living room, Blackledge appears, being interviewed, to which my nephew stated..."Look Dad; there's Asshole."


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When my now 34 year old nephew was 6 years old, my sister-in-law left him home with his dad (my brother) during a Steelers-Browns game. Steelers that day had Todd Blackledge under center. On the news the next night, with both parents home and in the living room, Blackledge appears, being interviewed, to which my nephew stated..."Look Dad; there's Asshole."

Classic!


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Jeemie wrote:
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They refused to let Ben win it when it mattered


Imagine how Martavis feels today.

"I did everything they asked of me...they don't use me in the second half".


Huh?

Ben was basically perfect in the first half yet non-existent in 2nd half.

Nobody should be more confused then him.


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Ben was perfect on his hand offs, which is basically all our IDIOT coaches let him do in the second half.


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 Post subject: Re: Where was Martavis on the final two plays????
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Hinestuff wrote:
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They refused to let Ben win it when it mattered


Imagine how Martavis feels today.

"I did everything they asked of me...they don't use me in the second half".


Huh?

Ben was basically perfect in the first half yet non-existent in 2nd half.

Nobody should be more confused then him.


Both Ben and Martavis can feel that way.

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I honestly wasn't worried when AB went down - I've seen Ben get it done before.

I should have looked at Larry, Moe and Curly on the sidelines and known better.

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