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 Post subject: Pats won’t be victimized by the “survive the ground rule”...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:08 pm 
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...very often, Mike Lombardi claims, because they are coached not to extend or lunge toward the end zone.

https://nesn.com/2017/12/ex-patriots-ex ... ound-rule/

We’ll leave out the Brandin Cooks’ fiasco in Houston for now and focus on this.

What do people think about being coached not to lunge/extend (assuming it’s true...I am not going to scour film looking to see if the Pats ever do it)?

Should James have just secured the ball and tried to roll in (I think he gets touched before he does it, but we have the ball at the one foot line if he does)?

Should we coach our guys not to do it?

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Everyone lunges in when moving toward goal line, runner or receiver, it's the way it was taught until the NFL fucked the pooch

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 Post subject: Re: Pats won’t be victimized by the “survive the ground rule
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Everyone lunges in when moving toward goal line, runner or receiver, it's the way it was taught until the NFL fucked the pooch


Yup, it's instinct...impossible to coach that out at this stage


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James also catches AND FUCKING BRINGS THE BALL BACK TO HIS BODY and then lunges. He made TWO movements with the ball. But I guess two movements is not possession

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James also catches AND FUCKING BRINGS THE BALL BACK TO HIS BODY and then lunges. He made TWO movements with the ball. But I guess two movements is not possession


That's where the officials have erred to keep with NYC office scripting.

He more than made a move with the ball while secured. Touched his knee, untouched by defender, move to lunge. was moving into the goalline plane. the rule is an oxymoron to the runner crossing plane rule we've had for decades

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 Post subject: Re: Pats won’t be victimized by the “survive the ground rule
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RooneyTunes wrote:
James also catches AND FUCKING BRINGS THE BALL BACK TO HIS BODY and then lunges. He made TWO movements with the ball. But I guess two movements is not possession


It was Corrente...I knew we were fucked. Not because the league favors New England necessarily, but because Corrente always inserts himself into games.

Same decision he made against the Jets. Almost the exact same.

He got reprimanded for reading too much into it on that call that day. I think this time the NFL is rallying round to protect him.

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 Post subject: Re: Pats won’t be victimized by the “survive the ground rule
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The problem is the "going to the ground" garbage which should have nothing to do with whether it is a catch. What worse is having that part of the rule open to interpretation.

When Brown had the so called "interception" in the first Rats game he had taken multiple steps with control of the ball and then it moved when he was on his way down so even though he was touched and down, they said he hadn't completed the catch yet. Similarly, the 2008 Rats AFCC where Homes took 3-4 steps with the ball in his hands but then lost it as he hit the ground diving for the EZ was a BS call. However when the Cheats got the TD to beat Houston, it was toe tap, fall to the ground and the ball moves but........that time it was a completion :roll:

The rule should be if you have possession / control with 2 feet on the ground the catch is complete and you become a runner. If the ball pops out later it should be dealt with the same way as a runner 1) ground can't cause a fumble and 2) if the ball crosses the goal line before you are touched it's a TD.

Problem is that this would take more of the subjectivity out of the equation and give the league less control of making the call fit their desired outcome. Most fans would prefer som kind of consistency with the officiating but that just doesn't work in Goodell's NFL: - he needs to be in control


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 Post subject: Re: Pats won’t be victimized by the “survive the ground rule
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To me, if you are deciding to turn upfield and dive forward with football by definition you already control the football. In most circumstances, extending is risky, but with 0 timeouts it’s the right thing there. “Survive the ground” makes sense when someone catches the ball in the air and hitting the ground is when he establishes possession, but for someone that already has put two knees, two feet, a hip and an elbow down... not really the same to me.


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from other mega-thread

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 Post subject: Re: Pats won’t be victimized by the “survive the ground rule
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I was thinking about this earlier today. I guess the proper thing for James to have done is to have secured the catch and NOT tried to score, and if he got touched down at the 1" line, so be it. But it is so counter-intuitive. I mean everyone is so used to it being a TD and the play dead once you put the ball across the plane of the end zone, OF COURSE receivers are going to stick the ball across the end zone. It's just a bad rule.


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