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 Post subject: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:52 am 
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Gronk was too physical for Sean Davis. Putting TJ Watt on Gronk loses us pass rush, but put Deebo on there. At least in Red Zone or third downs. TJ has size and jumping ability too negate Gronk's size. TJ was also a tight-end a few years ago. Otherwise it looks like conversion is automatic for Brady.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:58 am 
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Gronk was too physical for Sean Davis. Putting TJ Watt on Gronk loses us pass rush, but put Deebo on there. At least in Red Zone or third downs. TJ has size and jumping ability too negate Gronk's size. TJ was also a tight-end a few years ago. Otherwise it looks like conversion is automatic for Brady.


Did Watt play yesterday?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:59 am 
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Absolutely should have tried a few downs to get his feet wet.

He was not providing much in pass rush.

If anything, like you said.....
He is a long and rangy player that may shield Bradys view a little more.
Get his arms up higher on those seam passes, etc.
Be more physical at the line.

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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:10 pm 
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I thought Davis did fine, just give him some help over the top


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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GreekSteel wrote:
I thought Davis did fine, just give him some help over the top


Davis was abused most of the day.

Davis is not football bright. How did he not know, the fade to Gronk was coming on the two point play?!


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:19 pm 
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Dupree was utterly useless rushing the passer (except for one play). He's said to be pretty good in coverage. I would rather put dupree on him at first, move Watt to the left, and put Deebo on the right. Deebo did not play one damn snap of the game. With this much importance on a game, Solder struggling with mobility and power, Deebo could potentially have feasted on Brady. His bull rush alone would get Brady moving on almost every play. WTF! Deebo has got to be livid and ready to walk outta there with the big middle finger up. I bet he can't wait for the season to be over. I would tell Tomlin not to dress me and stay home with my family. At this point, If I were Deebo, I would fake a bad hamstring injury and do nothing! Tomlin doesn't know how to manage players - saving one player from too much work, risks burning out the other players from too much work!


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Stillchest wrote:
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I thought Davis did fine, just give him some help over the top


Davis was abused most of the day.

Davis is not football bright. How did he not know, the fade to Gronk was coming on the two point play?!




incorrect...for the most part Davis made Gronk earn what he got...doesn't matter if Davis knew the play just like a lot of times doesn't matter if you double or triple cover AB. Great players make plays. Gronk does that to everyone not just Davis. Now if you want to argue why Davis is tasked to cover Gronk on his own that's a different matter


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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Stillchest wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
I thought Davis did fine, just give him some help over the top


Davis was abused most of the day.

Davis is not football bright. How did he not know, the fade to Gronk was coming on the two point play?!


Well Davis has to also guard against the slant....which is almost impossible because of Gronk's size

Not too many people can handle Gronk 1:1 and Davis did an ok job


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:26 pm 
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A couple of those throws just can't be defended. Gronk has fucking 7 foot arms.

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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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After Davis had his worst day as a pro against Baltimore, I said to some friends they should put him on Gronk one on one. He was getting burned for mostly mental reasons, and putting him 1 on 1 would remove the mental aspect from the equation and let him just try and use his physical ability.

As others have said, I think he did fairly well at an impossible task. He was often in the right position, just couldn't defend against great throws, and Gronk doing what Gronk does.

I think our biggest issue was that Mitchell was playing too deep and giving Gronk the middle seam too often, although when you're playing one safety deep like that, I understand the reasoning of playing that far back, especially considering Mitchell doesn't have catchup speed if a guy does get behind him.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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GreekSteel wrote:
Stillchest wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
I thought Davis did fine, just give him some help over the top


Davis was abused most of the day.

Davis is not football bright. How did he not know, the fade to Gronk was coming on the two point play?!




incorrect...for the most part Davis made Gronk earn what he got...doesn't matter if Davis knew the play just like a lot of times doesn't matter if you double or triple cover AB. Great players make plays. Gronk does that to everyone not just Davis. Now if you want to argue why Davis is tasked to cover Gronk on his own that's a different matter


Davis looked like a middle school football player, trying to Gronky Kong.

If that's the best Davis can do, the Steelers are in trouble moving forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:51 pm 
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I’m thinking Joe Haden on Gronkowski. The outside corners in that game held up well enough. Haden’s a better cover guy with long arms. I’d give him a shot at Gronk over Davis.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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GreekSteel wrote:
Stillchest wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
I thought Davis did fine, just give him some help over the top


Davis was abused most of the day.

Davis is not football bright. How did he not know, the fade to Gronk was coming on the two point play?!




incorrect...for the most part Davis made Gronk earn what he got...doesn't matter if Davis knew the play just like a lot of times doesn't matter if you double or triple cover AB. Great players make plays. Gronk does that to everyone not just Davis. Now if you want to argue why Davis is tasked to cover Gronk on his own that's a different matter


I actually disagree. We had one guy to stop and we did anything but try to stop him. Not only was he way too big and physical for Davis, he was actually running RIGHT BY him the entire second half. That was statistically his biggest game of the year, not shocking. Davis not only looked like a little midget covering him, he needed help over the top in the worst way.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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If Haden is back and healthy I put Sutton on Gronk similar to what they did with Cortez years back.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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Should definitely have a special package for Gronk. Maybe have Dupree and/or Harrison rushing, and TJ spying Gronk.

Maybe cause some confusion occasionally giving Haden the task. The other guys do their job, and you mask how you're covering Gronk...might give the pass rush an extra second to get home.

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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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SOCALSTEEL wrote:
If Haden is back and healthy I put Sutton on Gronk similar to what they did with Cortez years back.


What really worked in Allen’s favor was his arm length, I don’t think Sutton is long enough or is he?

I hate to say it but I don’t think there is one guy on our roster that can cover him alone in the open field.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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Hinestuff wrote:
SOCALSTEEL wrote:
If Haden is back and healthy I put Sutton on Gronk similar to what they did with Cortez years back.


What really worked in Allen’s favor was his arm length, I don’t think Sutton is long enough or is he?

I hate to say it but I don’t think there is one guy on our roster that can cover him alone in the open field.


Davis’ effort on that two point try was embarrassing at best.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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I've always liked the idea of Haden on him. But, last night, I wished they would've put Hilton on him all game. I know it sounds crazy, but to me, Hilton has proven he has the ball skills, awareness, speed, hops and most importantly, the clutch-ness to knock the ball out of Gronks hands at the exact moment he's trying to catch it. That's the best way to stop him (more often than not) from coming down with it, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:14 pm 
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i say put Deebo up in his face at the line and let him hit him everytime before he continues on his way where Davis, Hilton, or Haden is waiting for him. Unfotunately, that takes a pass rusher out of the equation. TJ Watt or Dupree might be the best option, but I see dupree as too much of a pussy to really get physical with Gronk,so looks like Watt. You need someone to punch him in the throat a few times to get him off his game a bit.


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 Post subject: Re: Is TJ Watt on Gronk the answer?
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I don't think we have any lb'ers that can cover him. Wish someone on our coaching staff were competent enough to coach db's... Davis should be able to handle him.


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