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 Post subject: Reversed TD catch catch rule Mega merged thread
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:43 pm 
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"Item 1. Player Going to the Ground.

A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."


I mean, the rule sucks. It's the same thing that cost the Cowboys the NFL title on the Dez Bryant catch that was overturned a few years ago. But looking at it objectively, they were justified in overturning the catch.

Now whether this rule should be modified when a guy is reaching out to cross the plane of the end zone, that's a different discussion. The rule sucks. But the pass to James was by rule an incomplete pass.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:45 pm 
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"Item 1. Player Going to the Ground.

A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."


I mean, the rule sucks. It's the same thing that cost the Cowboys the NFL title on the Dez Bryant catch that was overturned a few years ago. But looking at it objectively, they were justified in overturning the catch.

Now whether this rule should be modified when a guy is reaching out to cross the plane of the end zone, that's a different discussion. The rule sucks. But the pass to James was by rule an incomplete pass.

Show me where the ball hit the ground. His right hand/fingers were under the ball the entire time. I would say, at worst, you can't tell 100% for sure if the ball ever touched the ground.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:46 pm 
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Show me conclusive evidence that James right hand wasn’t under the ball. It was ruled a TD. Where is the conclusive view showing his right hand isn’t under the ball?


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:47 pm 
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That is my thought. Yes the ball moved, but did it ever touch the ground? From the TV replays you could not tell.

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"Item 1. Player Going to the Ground.

A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."


I mean, the rule sucks. It's the same thing that cost the Cowboys the NFL title on the Dez Bryant catch that was overturned a few years ago. But looking at it objectively, they were justified in overturning the catch.

Now whether this rule should be modified when a guy is reaching out to cross the plane of the end zone, that's a different discussion. The rule sucks. But the pass to James was by rule an incomplete pass.

Show me where the ball hit the ground. His right hand/fingers were under the ball the entire time. I would say, at worst, you can't tell 100% for sure if the ball ever touched the ground.


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 Post subject: HIS RIGHT HAND IS UNDER THE BALL!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:49 pm 
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The fucking thing never hits the fucking ground


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
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You can clearly see the ball making contact with the ground at the 5 second mark.

https://twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/942556114243043328

Right hand is to the side, not underneath the ball. To me, that's incomplete.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:51 pm 
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that was a clear TD but on this new nfl..ive seen these bullshit reversals before..we got hosed


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 Post subject: I don't get it
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I thought if there wasn't conclusive evidence, the play stands. If that was called incomplete, the play stands, just like it should of stood with the original call of a touchdown. Fucking bullshit.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
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TB wrote:
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"Item 1. Player Going to the Ground.

A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."


I mean, the rule sucks. It's the same thing that cost the Cowboys the NFL title on the Dez Bryant catch that was overturned a few years ago. But looking at it objectively, they were justified in overturning the catch.

Now whether this rule should be modified when a guy is reaching out to cross the plane of the end zone, that's a different discussion. The rule sucks. But the pass to James was by rule an incomplete pass.


He can however establish himself as a runner by tucking the ball and turning upfield... which I believe he did both of those things, I mean if you extend the ball forward.. you are actively trying to move the ball upfield.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:54 pm 
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It's the Dez Bryant play. I mean, this rule cost the Cowboys a playoff game. For reference:


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 Post subject: Re: I don't get it
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He was a runner and broke the plane. The silly rule has cost the nfl many fans and soon it will be in deathknell

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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
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You can clearly see the ball making contact with the ground at the 5 second mark.

https://twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/942556114243043328

Right hand is to the side, not underneath the ball. To me, that's incomplete.


To me, just like the with Bryant play, if the guy I saw stretching out to try and score...that should be considered a move and not count as going to ground.

I know it is counted, but it shouldn't be.

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 Post subject: Re: HIS RIGHT HAND IS UNDER THE BALL!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:57 pm 
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Love your passion. Watch the video and watch when James stands up. The ball is secure in his right hand. Never lost control of it in that hand.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
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You can clearly see the ball making contact with the ground at the 5 second mark.

https://twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/942556114243043328

Right hand is to the side, not underneath the ball. To me, that's incomplete.

Really.
Have not seen one angle with the ball hitting ground.
Hand is under ball.
Ball rolls against left hand.
Never saw conclusive evidence of ball hitting ground.

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 Post subject: Re: I don't get it
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What part of the NFL screwing the Steelers don't you get


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 Post subject: Re: HIS RIGHT HAND IS UNDER THE BALL!
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I didn't think it hit the ground either


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:59 pm 
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Stosh-67 wrote:
TB wrote:
You can clearly see the ball making contact with the ground at the 5 second mark.

https://twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/942556114243043328

Right hand is to the side, not underneath the ball. To me, that's incomplete.

Really.
Have not seen one angle with the ball hitting ground.
Hand is under ball.
Ball rolls against left hand.
Never saw conclusive evidence of ball hitting ground.


NOT ONE FRAME OF THAT BALL HITTING THE GROUND


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:00 pm 
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Show me conclusive evidence that James right hand wasn’t under the ball. It was ruled a TD. Where is the conclusive view showing his right hand isn’t under the ball?


This is the talking point. Plus 1 million. The rule has nothing to do with this scenario.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:00 pm 
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I don't see the ball hit the ground AT ALL. I see it move. But I don't see it hit the ground at any angle. The refs simply INFERRED it hit the ground because it moved. But, there was no evidence that his hand was not under the ball.

Classic case of looking for an excuse to reverse. It's a TRAVESTY and a STAIN on the league.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL catch rule on a player going to the ground
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Stosh-67 wrote:
TB wrote:
You can clearly see the ball making contact with the ground at the 5 second mark.

https://twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/942556114243043328

Right hand is to the side, not underneath the ball. To me, that's incomplete.

Really.
Have not seen one angle with the ball hitting ground.
Hand is under ball.
Ball rolls against left hand.
Never saw conclusive evidence of ball hitting ground.


That ball completely spins when his elbow hits...its on the ground


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 Post subject: Re: HIS RIGHT HAND IS UNDER THE BALL!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:01 pm 
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Doesn’t matter if it moves at all, show me where it hits the ground.

FUCK THE NFL


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 Post subject: No Fucking Proof Ball Hit the Ground on JJ Catch!
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That’s it!


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 Post subject: Re: HIS RIGHT HAND IS UNDER THE BALL!
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It's hard to take off the black and gold blinders but once I do, it's the correct call. Outlaw catches the ball and within the same football move reaches over the goal line and the balls moves when it hits the ground. Same thing as a recieiver jumping up into the air and catching a ball then comes down with it and ball hits the ground and moves, not a catch.

If Outlaw only would have just caught it and tried to roll in instead of reaching over....damn. Heart breaking loss, replay link below.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepo ... 28/video/1

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 Post subject: Re: I don't get it
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It cost me a near perfect score in the score game, too.

31-27

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 Post subject: Re: No Fucking Proof Ball Hit the Ground on JJ Catch!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:03 pm 
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
That it!


Watch link,

https://mobile.twitter.com/Steelersdepo ... 28/video/1

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