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...during the TD review.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/stee ... 1712180138

Guy has to read this site. Almost everything in this article is stuff we're discussing here. :D

Here's the stuff on the lack of planning:

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The confusion by the Steelers and their coaching staff after the James touchdown was overturned was baffling.

There were 28 seconds left on the game clock as the play was being reviewed. If it stands, Steelers most likely win the game. But shouldn’t they have taken the time to prepare what they would do next if it was reversed? Even though out of timeouts, the review gave them plenty of time to discuss the next play or even the next two plays if the first did not score.

They apparently did not. Even Bill Cowher mentioned it Monday on an appearance on 93.7 The Fan Morning Show. According to host Colin Dunlap, Cowher questioned why Roethlisberger and Todd Haley weren’t meeting together to plan what to do if the call was overturned.


Cower was rippin' 'em! Good...and I liked this gem too:

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Mike Tomlin looked ahead publicly to the New England game three weeks ago, yet the coaching staff did not use the extended time during the touchdown review to look one or even two plays ahead in that very game.


Here's an interesting tidbit on the Cooks' TD that we've been talking about as one of the three TD rulings that have helped the Pats this year...causing me to have an even dimmer view of the cabal that runs the NFL than I did before:

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An NFL source told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Cooks’ catch remained a touchdown because there was no good video angle that showed him losing control of the ball when he hit the ground.


You have got to be fucking kidding me.

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Question for the douch et al: plan, call all you want---we had MB, JJ, JuJu and Eli---combined less than 6 years nfl experience and not the brightest of bulbs. What do you expect in that kind of situation with that kind of personnel? My answer, about what you got and what you got in 2010 sb. It's not a video game.
Furthermore, I'm surprised Ben did as well as he did without AB as reassurance and security blanket, knowing that he has the go to. From this perspective the game was a great building experience that will show dividends down the road.


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Ben has always made that really ill-advised, risky throw at least once or twice a game for just about his whole career. But, man, such a facepalm watching him staring down Rogers, holding the ball, staring, and then forcing it into a non-existent window.

Even for a guy who has a history of dumb decisions like that, this one is notably egregious. That's a scrub rookie decision, something you'd expect from Deshone Kizer.


And of fucking course that ball gets gently popped up into the air for an easy interception. A batted or tipped ball gets picked about once a year - Ben's had 4-5 this season.

In the early days of Madden, we used to blame a sequence of 3 plays like that on the "cheat" chip

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Man, the more I think about being apparently unprepared for the overturn the madder I get....because I think Ben and the coaches come up with two good plays likely to get a TD, if they spend the minute or two during review to strategize.

Plus, if they overturn that, then my first call is a pick-play - dare the refs to throw the flag and screw us again.

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Rod & Wire Mill wrote:
Question for the douch et al: plan, call all you want---we had MB, JJ, JuJu and Eli---combined less than 6 years nfl experience and not the brightest of bulbs. What do you expect in that kind of situation with that kind of personnel? My answer, about what you got and what you got in 2010 sb. It's not a video game.
Furthermore, I'm surprised Ben did as well as he did without AB as reassurance and security blanket, knowing that he has the go to. From this perspective the game was a great building experience that will show dividends down the road.


You’ve just made an even bigger case to plan out what you’re going to do next.

And MB didn’t even get on the field. Biggest spot of the year to date, down by the goal line...and you leave your tallest WR on the bench?

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Jeemie wrote:
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Question for the douch et al: plan, call all you want---we had MB, JJ, JuJu and Eli---combined less than 6 years nfl experience and not the brightest of bulbs. What do you expect in that kind of situation with that kind of personnel? My answer, about what you got and what you got in 2010 sb. It's not a video game.
Furthermore, I'm surprised Ben did as well as he did without AB as reassurance and security blanket, knowing that he has the go to. From this perspective the game was a great building experience that will show dividends down the road.


You’ve just made an even bigger case to plan out what you’re going to do next.

And MB didn’t even get on the field. Biggest spot of the year to date, down by the goal line...and you leave your tallest WR on the bench?


...and this is why, following a week of believing the hell out of this team, I'm retreating more to my oft-repeated refrain of Tomlin v. Belichick:
*Up 8, and running on first & 20, following up with running on 2nd & 23 with a practice squad back.
*Not realizing that your chances are better in picking up a first down on 4th & 1 (on a day that the O was converting about 2/3 of its 3rd downs), then containing the Patriots offense with two minutes to go.
*And finally...the Chinese fuckin' fire drill at the end....running only your arguably least threatening receiving option in the person of Eli Rogers, while keeping your tallest, most credible receiver, who had finally stepped up this game, on the bench.

And we're know supposed to believe that Tomlin will beat Belichick in Foxboro?? Again....when/if time comes, I'll be Charlie Brown again with That Little Bitch Lucy holding the ball....and will be believing again.

Gotta say though....watching the tape one more time...Fake Spike worked in part, as Pats d-line did not rush on the play.


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Tomlin comments to Dungy had the perspective that they were ready for the challenge. No Mike, the players were ready but you were not; you lost your team the game. Total failure of leadership. Great coaches, great leaders LEAD when the bullets are flying. You failed.

Mike has learned how to handle situations after he has learned how to handle them the hard way, like clock management. After he lost a couple of games by failing at clock management he figured out how to handle it or how to get someone to help him . The situation on Sunday never existed before and he had no idea what to do, he's still learning on the job. Thank God Ike didnt have Generals who were still learning on the job. Only a truly great leader would know how to perform when dealing for the first time with a make or break. Tomlin knows he failed, that was part of his inner rage during presser. Believe it or not Lombardi failed in 1960 championship, he blew an unnecessary time out in the second half and he couldn't call timeout on the final play when Chuck Bednarik sat on Starr for 15 seconds allowing the final game clock to expire with the Packers only a few yards from the winning touchdown in the 1960 NFL Championship. Noll had two early coaching failures that lost critical games. The good news is Tomlin will never make that mistake again of not being prepared under conditions that he'd never seen before or similar conditions as Sunday, the mistake occurred in a non playoff game and he is slowly climbing the ladder of being a thorough coach. I also think he's honest enough to understand what happened and to make internal adjustments.

I think the rift between Haley and Roethlisberger might explain why Ben wasn't diplomatic and threw that incompetent under the bus; however we don't know if that asinine decision to deviate from a winning strategy came from Haley or Tomlin. With the game, home field and top seed on the line, a rare turnover converted to points in their pocket and a lead on their back they took away the elements that put them in that commanding situation. No Ben attacking the Patriot defense, no Martavis who is finally showing up and is athletically superior to any Pat DB. They did exactly what Bellicheat and the Patriots defense wanted them to do. As fans that stupidity is enraging. Inside JuJu was a dynamic play waiting to explode and if those fucking morons had done the right thing we would have likely seen that dynamic play earlier that would have gotten us some of the first downs we needed to burn the clock and win the game.

Our run to the Super Bowl has just been derailed by self destruction. Recovery and restoration has to be accomplished in Houston. The wild card is the league and the cabal. The cabal was caught cheating and there's heat on them from high places. Let's hope there are some damaging leaks and stories. The general media is now propaganda but there are still plenty of media folks who are honest and decent and hate cheaters like most Americans do. On a neutral field, straight up football with a full roster we're better than NE.


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More reasons why replay is bullshit! Now after you score, you need to begin preparing for your TD to be overturned? That's just as bad as running to the line of scrimmage to snap the ball before the red flag comes out! Another bullshit feature of replay that's always annoyed me.


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It all goes back to our coaches challenges with in-game management. We win lots of games, we make the playoffs, but there always seem to be a few bone-headed lapses between this team and greatness.


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Tomlin comments to Dungy had the perspective that they were ready for the challenge. No Mike, the players were ready but you were not; you lost your team the game. Total failure of leadership. Great coaches, great leaders LEAD when the bullets are flying. You failed.

Mike has learned how to handle situations after he has learned how to handle them the hard way, like clock management. After he lost a couple of games by failing at clock management he figured out how to handle it or how to get someone to help him . The situation on Sunday never existed before and he had no idea what to do, he's still learning on the job. Thank God Ike didnt have Generals who were still learning on the job. Only a truly great leader would know how to perform when dealing for the first time with a make or break. Tomlin knows he failed, that was part of his inner rage during presser. Believe it or not Lombardi failed in 1960 championship, he blew an unnecessary time out in the second half and he couldn't call timeout on the final play when Chuck Bednarik sat on Starr for 15 seconds allowing the final game clock to expire with the Packers only a few yards from the winning touchdown in the 1960 NFL Championship. Noll had two early coaching failures that lost critical games. The good news is Tomlin will never make that mistake again of not being prepared under conditions that he'd never seen before or similar conditions as Sunday, the mistake occurred in a non playoff game and he is slowly climbing the ladder of being a thorough coach. I also think he's honest enough to understand what happened and to make internal adjustments.

I think the rift between Haley and Roethlisberger might explain why Ben wasn't diplomatic and threw that incompetent under the bus; however we don't know if that asinine decision to deviate from a winning strategy came from Haley or Tomlin. With the game, home field and top seed on the line, a rare turnover converted to points in their pocket and a lead on their back they took away the elements that put them in that commanding situation. No Ben attacking the Patriot defense, no Martavis who is finally showing up and is athletically superior to any Pat DB. They did exactly what Bellicheat and the Patriots defense wanted them to do. As fans that stupidity is enraging. Inside JuJu was a dynamic play waiting to explode and if those fucking morons had done the right thing we would have likely seen that dynamic play earlier that would have gotten us some of the first downs we needed to burn the clock and win the game.

Our run to the Super Bowl has just been derailed by self destruction. Recovery and restoration has to be accomplished in Houston. The wild card is the league and the cabal. The cabal was caught cheating and there's heat on them from high places. Let's hope there are some damaging leaks and stories. The general media is now propaganda but there are still plenty of media folks who are honest and decent and hate cheaters like most Americans do. On a neutral field, straight up football with a full roster we're better than NE.


I’d be more lenient on Mike Tomlin if he wasn’t In his ELEVENTH FUCKING SEASON as head coach in this league.

Now granted...I’m not in the heat of the moment...I’m sitting on my couch (actually jumping up and down)...but the instant I saw the first replay, I knew the touchdown would be overturned (I didn’t see James bobble the ball live). I told my wife, who was still screaming with joy over the TD, that it was going to be overturned (she looked at me like I was nuts). I started steeling myself for the inevitable overturn right then and there.

I’m a shit for brains who knows nothing about football. If I knew it was going to be overturned...why didn't Mike Tomlin and Todd Haley and Ben?

I knew about Corrente’s team and how he had fucked the Jets over in a similar situation with far less evidence. How could no one on the Steelers’ coaching staff know this?

Head man has to have his head in the game at all times...he cannot get caught up in the emotion.

I can’t let Tomlin slide because this exact situation had never happened to him before. It’s his job to be ready for the unexpected shit that can happen in a game. He’s got people to deal with the details...it’s his job to keep his eye on the prize.

And he DEFINITELY doesn’t get a pass for going conservative in the second half because he HAS done that before, and it has almost NEVER worked for him. THAT decision was made out of fear, and allowed the smartest coach in the NFL to not even have to work for it. I’m sure Belichick appreciated the day off Tomlin gave him.

Sorry...I’m the opposite from you. As the days go by, I’m less angry at the “cabal” and more angry at the man who let “the cabal” shit all over him...one Mike Tomlin.

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Bill Cowher is and will always be a fucking asshole

Its a shame his wife died of cancer instead of him.

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Jeemie wrote:
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Tomlin comments to Dungy had the perspective that they were ready for the challenge. No Mike, the players were ready but you were not; you lost your team the game. Total failure of leadership. Great coaches, great leaders LEAD when the bullets are flying. You failed.

Mike has learned how to handle situations after he has learned how to handle them the hard way, like clock management. After he lost a couple of games by failing at clock management he figured out how to handle it or how to get someone to help him . The situation on Sunday never existed before and he had no idea what to do, he's still learning on the job. Thank God Ike didnt have Generals who were still learning on the job. Only a truly great leader would know how to perform when dealing for the first time with a make or break. Tomlin knows he failed, that was part of his inner rage during presser. Believe it or not Lombardi failed in 1960 championship, he blew an unnecessary time out in the second half and he couldn't call timeout on the final play when Chuck Bednarik sat on Starr for 15 seconds allowing the final game clock to expire with the Packers only a few yards from the winning touchdown in the 1960 NFL Championship. Noll had two early coaching failures that lost critical games. The good news is Tomlin will never make that mistake again of not being prepared under conditions that he'd never seen before or similar conditions as Sunday, the mistake occurred in a non playoff game and he is slowly climbing the ladder of being a thorough coach. I also think he's honest enough to understand what happened and to make internal adjustments.

I think the rift between Haley and Roethlisberger might explain why Ben wasn't diplomatic and threw that incompetent under the bus; however we don't know if that asinine decision to deviate from a winning strategy came from Haley or Tomlin. With the game, home field and top seed on the line, a rare turnover converted to points in their pocket and a lead on their back they took away the elements that put them in that commanding situation. No Ben attacking the Patriot defense, no Martavis who is finally showing up and is athletically superior to any Pat DB. They did exactly what Bellicheat and the Patriots defense wanted them to do. As fans that stupidity is enraging. Inside JuJu was a dynamic play waiting to explode and if those fucking morons had done the right thing we would have likely seen that dynamic play earlier that would have gotten us some of the first downs we needed to burn the clock and win the game.

Our run to the Super Bowl has just been derailed by self destruction. Recovery and restoration has to be accomplished in Houston. The wild card is the league and the cabal. The cabal was caught cheating and there's heat on them from high places. Let's hope there are some damaging leaks and stories. The general media is now propaganda but there are still plenty of media folks who are honest and decent and hate cheaters like most Americans do. On a neutral field, straight up football with a full roster we're better than NE.


I’d be more lenient on Mike Tomlin if he wasn’t In his ELEVENTH FUCKING SEASON as head coach in this league.

Now granted...I’m not in the heat of the moment...I’m sitting on my couch (actually jumping up and down)...but the instant I saw the first replay, I knew the touchdown would be overturned (I didn’t see James bobble the ball live). I told my wife, who was still screaming with joy over the TD, that it was going to be overturned (she looked at me like I was nuts). I started steeling myself for the inevitable overturn right then and there.

I’m a shit for brains who knows nothing about football. If I knew it was going to be overturned...why didn't Mike Tomlin and Todd Haley and Ben?

I knew about Corrente’s team and how he had fucked the Jets over in a similar situation with far less evidence. How could no one on the Steelers’ coaching staff know this?

Head man has to have his head in the game at all times...he cannot get caught up in the emotion.

I can’t let Tomlin slide because this exact situation had never happened to him before. It’s his job to be ready for the unexpected shit that can happen in a game. He’s got people to deal with the details...it’s his job to keep his eye on the prize.

And he DEFINITELY doesn’t get a pass for going conservative in the second half because he HAS done that before, and it has almost NEVER worked for him. THAT decision was made out of fear, and allowed the smartest coach in the NFL to not even have to work for it. I’m sure Belichick appreciated the day off Tomlin gave him.

Sorry...I’m the opposite from you. As the days go by, I’m less angry at the “cabal” and more angry at the man who let “the cabal” shit all over him...one Mike Tomlin.


Yep, my thoughts exactly. I was upset we lost the game to those asshats, but I was more upset with how we lost the game starting with the onset of the 4th quarter. The stupidity of the coaches and the things they did in the fourth quarter definitely trumps the bad call from the refs. I actually expect at least one bad call that screws us each week from the refs, but our coaching staff should know better! Name one other team that has a head coach and two other previous head coaches on their staff? Yet, none of them can do shit to help this team turn the corner. Instead, they continue to contribute to the total clusterfuck that has become known as our Pittsburgh Steelers when facing the Patriots.


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Bill Cowher is and will always be a fucking asshole

Its a shame his wife died of cancer instead of him.



Wow in true Fuck Cowher spirit. That's not nice FC 8-)

You should reserve that anger for the league's organized crime cabal.

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Tomlin comments to Dungy had the perspective that they were ready for the challenge. No Mike, the players were ready but you were not; you lost your team the game. Total failure of leadership. Great coaches, great leaders LEAD when the bullets are flying. You failed.

Mike has learned how to handle situations after he has learned how to handle them the hard way, like clock management. After he lost a couple of games by failing at clock management he figured out how to handle it or how to get someone to help him . The situation on Sunday never existed before and he had no idea what to do, he's still learning on the job. Thank God Ike didnt have Generals who were still learning on the job. Only a truly great leader would know how to perform when dealing for the first time with a make or break. Tomlin knows he failed, that was part of his inner rage during presser. Believe it or not Lombardi failed in 1960 championship, he blew an unnecessary time out in the second half and he couldn't call timeout on the final play when Chuck Bednarik sat on Starr for 15 seconds allowing the final game clock to expire with the Packers only a few yards from the winning touchdown in the 1960 NFL Championship. Noll had two early coaching failures that lost critical games. The good news is Tomlin will never make that mistake again of not being prepared under conditions that he'd never seen before or similar conditions as Sunday, the mistake occurred in a non playoff game and he is slowly climbing the ladder of being a thorough coach. I also think he's honest enough to understand what happened and to make internal adjustments.

I think the rift between Haley and Roethlisberger might explain why Ben wasn't diplomatic and threw that incompetent under the bus; however we don't know if that asinine decision to deviate from a winning strategy came from Haley or Tomlin. With the game, home field and top seed on the line, a rare turnover converted to points in their pocket and a lead on their back they took away the elements that put them in that commanding situation. No Ben attacking the Patriot defense, no Martavis who is finally showing up and is athletically superior to any Pat DB. They did exactly what Bellicheat and the Patriots defense wanted them to do. As fans that stupidity is enraging. Inside JuJu was a dynamic play waiting to explode and if those fucking morons had done the right thing we would have likely seen that dynamic play earlier that would have gotten us some of the first downs we needed to burn the clock and win the game.

Our run to the Super Bowl has just been derailed by self destruction. Recovery and restoration has to be accomplished in Houston. The wild card is the league and the cabal. The cabal was caught cheating and there's heat on them from high places. Let's hope there are some damaging leaks and stories. The general media is now propaganda but there are still plenty of media folks who are honest and decent and hate cheaters like most Americans do. On a neutral field, straight up football with a full roster we're better than NE.



In my view of over 40yrs of watching the No Fun League, this league can be brought up on RICO charges if the right people start digging and acting. That would be world news for a long long time. But who wants to challenge the GRAFTERS (32 Owners and the hired criminals in the NFL FO)?? I think the leaks are already in place from past 2 years under goodells watch (current events).

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Question for the douch et al: plan, call all you want---we had MB, JJ, JuJu and Eli---combined less than 6 years nfl experience and not the brightest of bulbs. What do you expect in that kind of situation with that kind of personnel? My answer, about what you got and what you got in 2010 sb. It's not a video game.
Furthermore, I'm surprised Ben did as well as he did without AB as reassurance and security blanket, knowing that he has the go to. From this perspective the game was a great building experience that will show dividends down the road.


You’ve just made an even bigger case to plan out what you’re going to do next.

And MB didn’t even get on the field. Biggest spot of the year to date, down by the goal line...and you leave your tallest WR on the bench?


...and this is why, following a week of believing the hell out of this team, I'm retreating more to my oft-repeated refrain of Tomlin v. Belichick:
*Up 8, and running on first & 20, following up with running on 2nd & 23 with a practice squad back.
*Not realizing that your chances are better in picking up a first down on 4th & 1 (on a day that the O was converting about 2/3 of its 3rd downs), then containing the Patriots offense with two minutes to go.
*And finally...the Chinese fuckin' fire drill at the end....running only your arguably least threatening receiving option in the person of Eli Rogers, while keeping your tallest, most credible receiver, who had finally stepped up this game, on the bench.

And we're know supposed to believe that Tomlin will beat Belichick in Foxboro?? Again....when/if time comes, I'll be Charlie Brown again with That Little Bitch Lucy holding the ball....and will be believing again.

Gotta say though....watching the tape one more time...Fake Spike worked in part, as Pats d-line did not rush on the play.


That draw to Fitz really pissed me off.


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The smart move would have been to override the emotions kick the gimmie figgy take it to OT with down me purpose and rage.

I knew as Ben was lining up he was thinking of trying a shot. What he needed was a guy to run the fade.

It was a very risky decision. Would have been nice to cram that football up the refs asses.


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Ben has always made that really ill-advised, risky throw at least once or twice a game for just about his whole career. But, man, such a facepalm watching him staring down Rogers, holding the ball, staring, and then forcing it into a non-existent window.

Even for a guy who has a history of dumb decisions like that, this one is notably egregious. That's a scrub rookie decision, something you'd expect from Deshone Kizer.


And of fucking course that ball gets gently popped up into the air for an easy interception. A batted or tipped ball gets picked about once a year - Ben's had 4-5 this season.

In the early days of Madden, we used to blame a sequence of 3 plays like that on the "cheat" chip

CAN WE PLEASE STOP SAYING HE THREW INTO TRAFFIC OR A NON-EXISTENT WINDOW???

Guy was wide open when Ben let it go, and if the defender hadn't used a big grab of jersey to create leverage, that's a TD as long as Rogers doesn't drop it.
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Man, the more I think about being apparently unprepared for the overturn the madder I get....because I think Ben and the coaches come up with two good plays likely to get a TD, if they spend the minute or two during review to strategize.

Plus, if they overturn that, then my first call is a pick-play - dare the refs to throw the flag and screw us again.

How can you get any better than a wide open guy in the EZ???

This narrative might be right about the process, but not the result.

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How can you get any better than a wide open guy in the EZ???

This narrative might be right about the process, but not the result.



I don't know. I think you're taking a leap of faith freeze-framing it and saying he only gets a hand on it because of grabbing for leverage. I didn't think much of it real time other than it was great coverage and a ridiculously lucky deflection.

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In my view of over 40yrs of watching the No Fun League, this league can be brought up on RICO charges if the right people start digging and acting.


Back off on the crazy. Unless there's a gambling connection - which I highly doubt - there won't be any RICO charges for a product that has always called itself "entertainment". Although I'm highly suspicious when you put a single guy in charge of reviews and calls haven't been remotely consistent.

Although it seems pretty clear to me Roger had some kind of leverage to get his huge pay raise, despite the fact ratings are down bigly the past two seasons.

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How can you get any better than a wide open guy in the EZ???

This narrative might be right about the process, but not the result.



I don't know. I think you're taking a leap of faith freeze-framing it and saying he only gets a hand on it because of grabbing for leverage. I didn't think much of it real time other than it was great coverage and a ridiculously lucky deflection.

Rowe is behind and out of this play until he grabs Eli, which not only slows Eli down but simultaneously leverages Rowe forward with his other hand. That's not just DPI by a technicality, it's DPI that created the defensive play.

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One buys a ticket based on the understanding that the game isn't fixed. One gambles based on the understanding that the game isn't fixed.

The NFL powers that be would burn at the stake if it came out that the games were fixed. Regardless of the letter of the law, the public outcry would be off the charts. The mother of all shitshows.


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prophet wrote:
One buys a ticket based on the understanding that the game isn't fixed. One gambles based on the understanding that the game isn't fixed.


That EXACT argument was made in court. The NFL argued it's product is entertainment, and a ticket is only a guarantee for a seat to see the event that day. The court agreed. Absolutely nothing about a fair and straight competition.

The NFL is not the one placing and taking bets on its games.

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Ben has always made that really ill-advised, risky throw at least once or twice a game for just about his whole career. But, man, such a facepalm watching him staring down Rogers, holding the ball, staring, and then forcing it into a non-existent window.

Even for a guy who has a history of dumb decisions like that, this one is notably egregious. That's a scrub rookie decision, something you'd expect from Deshone Kizer.


And of fucking course that ball gets gently popped up into the air for an easy interception. A batted or tipped ball gets picked about once a year - Ben's had 4-5 this season.

In the early days of Madden, we used to blame a sequence of 3 plays like that on the "cheat" chip

CAN WE PLEASE STOP SAYING HE THREW INTO TRAFFIC OR A NON-EXISTENT WINDOW???

Guy was wide open when Ben let it go, and if the defender hadn't used a big grab of jersey to create leverage, that's a TD as long as Rogers doesn't drop it.
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Window or not...can't throw the football to that spot of the field...too many things can go wrong.

Needs to be a throw where our guy catches it, or no one does. HAS to be.

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