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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:22 am 
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I don't really care about the "why"....

What I do know is to win 3 games on calls like these IN ONE SEASON is another inexplicably monstrous outlier....just another to add to the long list in the Belicheat era.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:24 am 
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I don't really care about the "why"....

What I do know is to win 3 games on calls like these IN ONE SEASON is another inexplicably monstrous outlier....just another to add to the long list in the Belicheat era.


Now that we have a set precedence of 3 game outcomes decided for NE with same Ref on these "gamed rules", it's hard not to add that to the list of back room Robert Kraft collusion

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:39 am 
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The take from a Referee message board.
I just saw the replay one more time. He caught the ball and his knee hits down. That completes the catch as he had possession to the ground. Since he wasn't touched on the ground, he more or less becomes a runner. As a runner, the instant the ball crosses the plane of the goal line, it is a touchdown. The subsequent movement of the ball or even if he dropped it, which he didn't, the only possible call, as correctly called on the field is a TOUCHDOWN. Riveron can talk all he wants about completing the process of the catch. Very bad call even if the claim the rule is the rule.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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That is the ultimate correct call per football rules !! This complete catch BS is what i called it, garnered wiggle room for manipulation.

We should have protested the game,. We got screwed out of 1st place and possible playoff seeding. END OF STORY

THE GAME IS FIXED!!!

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:55 am 
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
We should have protested the game,. We got screwed out of 1st place and possible playoff seeding. END OF STORY

THE GAME IS FIXED!!!



That's what is irritating. If the same guy can't apply the rule consistently, then ignore the hyper-minutia of an obvious bad rule.

Attempting to explain and justify your ruling just makes things that much worse. NOBODY understands the rule as written. "Professionals" paid to interpret and apply those rules clearly don't understand them as written. And the worst thing about it is, even after you explain it people STILL don't understand what the hell.....So why are we overruling these calls on the field?

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Kodiak wrote:
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We should have protested the game,. We got screwed out of 1st place and possible playoff seeding. END OF STORY

THE GAME IS FIXED!!!



That's what is irritating. If the same guy can't apply the rule consistently, then ignore the hyper-minutia of an obvious bad rule.

Attempting to explain and justify your ruling just makes things that much worse. NOBODY understands the rule as written. "Professionals" paid to interpret and apply those rules clearly don't understand them as written. And the worst thing about it is, even after you explain it people STILL don't understand what the hell.....So why are we overruling these calls on the field?


I think people need to get out of their comforts of not believing this. You get it, lots of others have come around to understanding it's not a conspiracy theory.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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To me the thing that needs to be pointed out is the exact verbiage in the rule. If it does state when he initially hits the ground (as his knee) ..... then it's further evidence of manipulation. I call bullshit. The same ref three times now......on that note did he call all three the exact same way?

I'm unaware, but again, I'm sure there is bullshit.


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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
The same ref three times now......on that note did he call all three the exact same way?


If you mean calling all 3 in NE's favor, then yes he called them all the same way.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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I'm coming around to the belief that the non-hold/DPI call on the last play was more egregious than the James overrule. If Rowe doesn't grab Rogers' jersey, he gets nowhere near the leverage to make the play.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
I don't really care about the "why"....

What I do know is to win 3 games on calls like these IN ONE SEASON is another inexplicably monstrous outlier....just another to add to the long list in the Belicheat era.


Now that we have a set precedence of 3 game outcomes decided for NE with same Ref on these "gamed rules", it's hard not to add that to the list of back room Robert Kraft collusion


I do not believe Corrente worked the Houston/Pats game.

In fact, now I know it wasn't him- looked it up on Pro Football Reference...it was John Parry.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I'm coming around to the belief that the non-hold/DPI call on the last play was more egregious than the James overrule. If Rowe doesn't grab Rogers' jersey, he gets nowhere near the leverage to make the play.


I'm telling you that in real time I don't see Rogers getting slowed up.

It's too bang bang for DPI to be called there, B2B.

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Jeemie wrote:
I do not believe Corrente worked the Houston/Pats game.

In fact, now I know it wasn't him- looked it up on Pro Football Reference...it was John Parry.


Riveron was the guy in the NY studio lording over all 3 of those reviews.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Both the Steelers and the Putriots* are flawed, so there's no guarentee they meet in the AFCCG. But if it does come down to a game in foxboro, Bring It On. Seriously. The only thing more satisfying than getting over the hump in our house would be getting over the hump in their house.


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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Kodiak wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
I do not believe Corrente worked the Houston/Pats game.

In fact, now I know it wasn't him- looked it up on Pro Football Reference...it was John Parry.


Riveron was the guy in the NY studio lording over all 3 of those reviews.


Can someone give me a non bullshit reason why the officials need "help" from New York?


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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I'm coming around to the belief that the non-hold/DPI call on the last play was more egregious than the James overrule. If Rowe doesn't grab Rogers' jersey, he gets nowhere near the leverage to make the play.


I'm telling you that in real time I don't see Rogers getting slowed up.

It's too bang bang for DPI to be called there, B2B.




You absolutely make that call, and its not like you awarded the steelers the game by calling the obvious DPI, you offer both teams another chance to decide the game on their own rather than the refs becoming the focal point.


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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Kodiak wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
I do not believe Corrente worked the Houston/Pats game.

In fact, now I know it wasn't him- looked it up on Pro Football Reference...it was John Parry.


Riveron was the guy in the NY studio lording over all 3 of those reviews.


Well yeah- that's true.

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GreekSteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I'm coming around to the belief that the non-hold/DPI call on the last play was more egregious than the James overrule. If Rowe doesn't grab Rogers' jersey, he gets nowhere near the leverage to make the play.


I'm telling you that in real time I don't see Rogers getting slowed up.

It's too bang bang for DPI to be called there, B2B.




You absolutely make that call, and its not like you awarded the steelers the game by calling the obvious DPI, you offer both teams another chance to decide the game on their own rather than the refs becoming the focal point.


What I'm saying is in real time it's not as obvious as you are all making it out to be. There is no indication real-time that Rogers was impeded or Rowe got extra leverage. There simply isn't.

Slo-mo and freeze frames let you see it, but real time, it's not apparent.

I've said that from the beginning...we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Ben is not absolved...it was a dumb throw. That ball needs to be thrown low if it's going to be thrown...not high.

Sliding grab so it's either caught or incomplete.

The Steelers had two shots after the James overturn...the two plays they chose were horrible.

And that Bryant wasn't on the field was a travesty...so the coaches aren't absolved either.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Kodiak wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
I do not believe Corrente worked the Houston/Pats game.

In fact, now I know it wasn't him- looked it up on Pro Football Reference...it was John Parry.


Riveron was the guy in the NY studio lording over all 3 of those reviews.


Riveron is a managed dolt. They got him off the field because he was incompetent, they moved him into that position to further fuck with him and the games outcomes

If you can't see that, then whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Jeemie wrote:
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You absolutely make that call, and its not like you awarded the steelers the game by calling the obvious DPI, you offer both teams another chance to decide the game on their own rather than the refs becoming the focal point.


What I'm saying is in real time it's not as obvious as you are all making it out to be. There is no indication real-time that Rogers was impeded or Rowe got extra leverage. There simply isn't.

Slo-mo and freeze frames let you see it, but real time, it's not apparent.

The official standing at the goal post has one responsibility during this play: he's watching Eli Rogers from presnap to post-whistle. The jersey pull is immediately in front on the official responsible for watching Rogers.

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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Kodiak wrote:
Same ref in NY made the call on ALL THREE of those NE games this year.

A heck of a lot easier when you only have to pay off 1 guy instead of a different crew of 8 every week....


Yep, the "one guy" is on retainer.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
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You absolutely make that call, and its not like you awarded the steelers the game by calling the obvious DPI, you offer both teams another chance to decide the game on their own rather than the refs becoming the focal point.


What I'm saying is in real time it's not as obvious as you are all making it out to be. There is no indication real-time that Rogers was impeded or Rowe got extra leverage. There simply isn't.

Slo-mo and freeze frames let you see it, but real time, it's not apparent.

The official standing at the goal post has one responsibility during this play: he's watching Eli Rogers from presnap to post-whistle. The jersey pull is immediately in front on the official responsible for watching Rogers.


Did you see the Ravens/49ers SB a few years back? They ain't calling that stuff at the end of the game in the EZ


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Did you see the Ravens/49ers SB a few years back? They ain't calling that stuff at the end of the game in the EZ


The refs and the NFL cabal are a convenient target to mask the fact that the coaches and players put themselves in a situation to be fucked over by the refs and the NFL cabal.

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Didn’t the refs throw something like 3 consecutive flags for PI or holding in the final seconds of the KC at Oakland game earlier this year?


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 Post subject: Re: New take on the rule
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Jeemie wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
Did you see the Ravens/49ers SB a few years back? They ain't calling that stuff at the end of the game in the EZ


The refs and the NFL cabal are a convenient target to mask the fact that the coaches and players put themselves in a situation to be fucked over by the refs and the NFL cabal.


It's a known fact by now, when you play the Pats, as a team, you play the officials. No team benefits more from calls/no calls than the Pats.

Many times, that out of coaches and players control.


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It's a known fact by now, when you play the Pats, as a team, you play the officials. No team benefits more from calls/no calls than the Pats.

Many times, that out of coaches and players control.


Play aggressive offense for the full 60 minutes, and take it out of their control to the degree you can.

Play to ride out the last 15 minutes of a one score game...you deserve what you get.

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