Chalk Talk...the last 1:55...key plays

bam morris · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:18 pm **Posts:** 10592

Jeemie wrote:

Steel Mike wrote:

Baltostiller wrote:

I was so pissed that JuJu cut that back. Stay on the sideline and take it as far as you can. You either score or get pushed out of bounds stopping the clock.
NEVER turn back inside towards the pursuit unless you absolutely have to. Still a great play though.

I was too, but he gained a bunch by doing it, so can't fault a guy for trying to make a big play (and succeeding).

He stays on the sideline, I think he scores.

Since the guy that had the angle on him stutter-stepped BEFORE JuJu cut back, JuJu beats him down the sideline, I think.

I agree..looking at it I think he might score. seems outlaw was ready to block one or both... or even cut up later down field if his angle taken..hell..we leave brady more time and he can hit gronk 3 more times..lol

GreekSteel · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:06 am **Posts:** 9148

I don't think he would have scored by going down the sideline btw. Once he started to stumble (probably from losing gas) he was done as far as takin it to the house.

Jeemie · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm **Posts:** 23382

GreekSteel wrote:

I don't think he would have scored by going down the sideline btw. Once he started to stumble (probably from losing gas) he was done as far as takin it to the house.

He first stumbled because Rowe tripped him up.

He might not have completely run out of gas continuing to go straight down the sideline, but at any rate, I think he at least gets as far as he did by cutting in, AND he goes OOB to boot, waving the timeout.

Baltostiller · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:50 pm **Posts:** 763

Jeemie wrote:

GreekSteel wrote:

I don't think he would have scored by going down the sideline btw. Once he started to stumble (probably from losing gas) he was done as far as takin it to the house.

He first stumbled because Rowe tripped him up.

He might not have completely run out of gas continuing to go straight down the sideline, but at any rate, I think he at least gets as far as he did by cutting in, AND he goes OOB to boot, waving the timeout.

I agree and if you stop it at 3:54 just as JJSS cuts back you can see that JJ is in front of him and IMO he at least gets to the 15 before being pushed OOB, saving a TO and at best scores, ending the game. I'd also be interested in seeing the coaches film because in college our RBs would always cut back and the during film sessions on Sunday morning the coaches would stop the film and show them all of the pursuit they were running into rather than keeping it outside.

I'd rather see JJSS and JJ against 2 little DBs than JJSS cutting it back into the pursuit and losing a TO.

Jeemie · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm **Posts:** 23382

Even more sick about how close we came.

If James doesn't grab that ball...it is going straight to JuJu...who's already in the end zone with position on his man.

More I look at the play...maybe James was supposed to keep going, and that pass was for JuJu.

TB · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:13 pm **Posts:** 4024

Jeemie wrote:

Old School Steeler wrote:

Baltostiller wrote:

I was so pissed that JuJu cut that back. Stay on the sideline and take it as far as you can. You either score or get pushed out of bounds stopping the clock.
NEVER turn back inside towards the pursuit unless you absolutely have to. Still a great play though.

Theoretical query

What if Juju does stay on the sidelines and the Patriot Defender finally catches him and hits him just after he crosses the goal Line the ball comes loose although JuJu's hands are underneath the ball. There is no conclusive proof that the ball hit the ground and was out of his control. What does New York and correnti do on that?

Since JuJu was an established runner at that point, it’s a TD as soon as the football breaks the plane.

It wouldn’t even be an issue.

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I really struggle to see why this is so confusing. If you’re going to the ground in the process of making the catch, you’ve got to control it through going to the ground regardless of where you’re at on the field. If you’ve established yourself as a runner, you’re good.

TB · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:13 pm **Posts:** 4024

Kodiak wrote:

here's another angle.....if PIT ends-up going to NE for the AFCC, how much money does that cost Rooney (and, for that matter, the city of Pittsburgh)?

The NFL didn't just steal a game from PIT, they literally took money out of the pockets of hometown fans.

So when the refs picked up their flag on the Rogers TD, which should have been ruled a penalty for illegal man downfield as Decastro was clearly more than a yard beyond the LOS before the pass was thrown and they had initially correctly thrown the flag for it, what part of the grand sweeping conspiracy for a Pats win was that? Which chapter in the script?

I’m embarrassed by the amount of whining and excuse making Steelers fans have taken part in after this game.

Baltostiller · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:50 pm **Posts:** 763

TB wrote:

Kodiak wrote:

here's another angle.....if PIT ends-up going to NE for the AFCC, how much money does that cost Rooney (and, for that matter, the city of Pittsburgh)?

The NFL didn't just steal a game from PIT, they literally took money out of the pockets of hometown fans.

So when the refs picked up their flag on the Rogers TD, which should have been ruled a penalty for illegal man downfield as Decastro was clearly more than a yard beyond the LOS before the pass was thrown and they had initially correctly thrown the flag for it, what part of the grand sweeping conspiracy for a Pats win was that? Which chapter in the script?

I’m embarrassed by the amount of whining and excuse making Steelers fans have taken part in after this game.

Do you clowns even know the rules.
Item 1: Legally Downfield.

An ineligible player is not illegally downfield if, after initiating contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage during his initial charge:

(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent;
DeCastro was blocking an opponent the entire time and thus not illegally downfield. That is why the flag was picked up.

TB · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:13 pm **Posts:** 4024

That'd be correct, but DeCastro wasn't blocking his man downfield the entire time. That's dead wrong. Watch the vid:

LOS was the 18. He made an initial punch on one defender, slipped out and moved three yards downfield to the 15 to initiate a block on another defender, the LB David Harris, all while Ben still had the ball in his hands. Should've been a penalty.

swissvale72 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:52 pm **Posts:** 7327

Honestly...I know everyone's saying it's clear DPI. I'm not seeing it.

Like Jeems had said, like I've said in the SBI piece....soon as I saw one of the first replays, I knew this game was being stolen from us. Just don't know why it took the announcing crew so long to tumble to the fact that it was the catch that was being reviewed. Me? I was foolishly hoping no one would notice. But...I still think a case could have been made for their not being indisputable evidence that JJ maintained control.

R S · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:34 am **Posts:** 5555

Jeemie wrote:

swissvale72 wrote:

I don't think so....but would like to see the wide view.

I think at minimum he gets as far as he did cutting back in, with the added benefit of going OOB and preserving the timeout.

Speaking of which...Ben pointing out that Corrente granted them the timeout before they really asked for it casts a bad light on the Steelers and clock management again.

They should have known immediately they were calling timeout. Far too much clock would have been burned trying to rush down the field and clock it. Not to mention a down to win the game would have been wasted. They were at the ten...using the last TO was the right thing to do there. Had they not been such idiots with their playcalling, 32 seconds and no timeouts from the ten is plenty of time for three shots to the EZ and then a FG try if needed.

nitpicking on JuJu's OUTSTANDING play is beyond ridiculous. It really displays very little awareness of what it's like to actually play the game. Ask DeAngelo Williams.

Jeemie · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm **Posts:** 23382

R S wrote:

Jeemie wrote:

swissvale72 wrote:

I don't think so....but would like to see the wide view.

I think at minimum he gets as far as he did cutting back in, with the added benefit of going OOB and preserving the timeout.

Speaking of which...Ben pointing out that Corrente granted them the timeout before they really asked for it casts a bad light on the Steelers and clock management again.

They should have known immediately they were calling timeout. Far too much clock would have been burned trying to rush down the field and clock it. Not to mention a down to win the game would have been wasted. They were at the ten...using the last TO was the right thing to do there. Had they not been such idiots with their playcalling, 32 seconds and no timeouts from the ten is plenty of time for three shots to the EZ and then a FG try if needed.

nitpicking on JuJu's OUTSTANDING play is beyond ridiculous. It really displays very little awareness of what it's like to actually play the game. Ask DeAngelo Williams.

So I’m not allowed to voice an opinion that I think JuJu could have scored had he stayed on the sideline?

That somehow pointing this out means I’m saying he sucked on the play?

swissvale72 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:52 pm **Posts:** 7327

Particularly after watching the Tunch piece, Jeems, I don't think JuJu even makes it to the sideline. He was running outta gas, pursuit was closing in.

Jeemie · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm **Posts:** 23382

swissvale72 wrote:

Particularly after watching the Tunch piece, Jeems, I don't think JuJu even makes it to the sideline. He was running outta gas, pursuit was closing in.

He was on the sideline already.

swissvale72 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:52 pm **Posts:** 7327

Jeemie wrote:

swissvale72 wrote:

Particularly after watching the Tunch piece, Jeems, I don't think JuJu even makes it to the sideline. He was running outta gas, pursuit was closing in.

He was on the sideline already.

Watch it again, Jeems. The ONLY time, he was all outside the hash was when he was being tackled....over 23 yards from the sideline.

Unless you're suggesting that he should have never cut back across the field but stuck to the left sideline the whole way. I've been assuming you were talking about the right sideline.

swissvale72 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:52 pm **Posts:** 7327

Okay...You ARE talking about the left sideline.

#30 & #23 are closing in; he has JJ blocking for him. He's going OOB at the 20.

Jeemie · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm **Posts:** 23382

swissvale72 wrote:

Jeemie wrote:

swissvale72 wrote:

Particularly after watching the Tunch piece, Jeems, I don't think JuJu even makes it to the sideline. He was running outta gas, pursuit was closing in.

He was on the sideline already.

Watch it again, Jeems. The ONLY time, he was all outside the hash was when he was being tackled....over 23 yards from the sideline.

Unless you're suggesting that he should have never cut back across the field but stuck to the left sideline the whole way. I've been assuming you were talking about the right sideline.

Yes...I’m saying he should have never cut back across the field but stayed on the sideline.

He had Jesse out in front of him who had cut off one of the two closing defenders. The other one had the angle but he stutter-stepped...BEFORE JuJu made his cut to the middle.

He stays on the sideline...he may get by that defender...even if not, he’s at or near where he got to anyway...but has run OOB and killed the clock.

Baltostiller · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:50 pm **Posts:** 763

swissvale72 wrote:

Okay...You ARE talking about the left sideline.

#30 & #23 are closing in; he has JJ blocking for him. He's going OOB at the 20.

I posted about this earlier. At 3:54 JuJu is at the 34 with James in front of him. I think he is better off staying on the sideline behind JJ and stiff arming the other DB and going OOB at the 15 or 10 and possibly scoring than running all the way across the field, into traffic and getting tackled at the 10. Would save a TO and have a better chance to score

Jeemie · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm **Posts:** 23382

swissvale72 wrote:

Okay...You ARE talking about the left sideline.

#30 & #23 are closing in; he has JJ blocking for him. He's going OOB at the 20.

Again...I think he may get a little more and even get by the guy because that guy stutter-stepped.

The trailing defender’s angle is cut off by Jesse...there’s just one guy to beat.

And you know something?

I’ll take OOB at the 20 and a timeout preserved over ball at the 10 and no timeouts. I thinkmit’s A slight win. We do better farther from the EZ anyway.

swissvale72 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:52 pm **Posts:** 7327

Yeah...split-second decision-making and instinct though.

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