It is currently Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:40 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:20 am
Posts: 5633
Image

_________________
"Tomlin doubled down on dumb" JackSplat58


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm
Posts: 23626
it's still yggy wrote:
I think the secondary is somewhat unhinged without Haden. Everyone back there has certain strengths and weaknesses but Haden’s presence has a way of containing the weaknesses. Burns looks sloppy and undisciplined. Mitchell looks a step or two slow. Davis looks lost at times. They need Haden back to stabilize them. This is a good unit when not tasked to do too much. They were top 2 till Haden went down.

I think some of it is butler too. To the extent butler has kept lebeaus concepts the pats will always have an advantage there.

But I think one of the key sequences was this

Quote:
No one wants to mention that, after Stephen Gostkowski's 46-yard field goal to cut it to 24-19 with 3:56 remaining, the Steelers responded with a three-and-out, that they came up short on third-and-4 with a 3-yard pass to Smith-Schuster and had to punt.


Two first downs very likely win that game


We should have pulled a Belichick and gone for it on 4th-1.

_________________
“A set of several simple rules leads to complex, intelligent behavior. While a set of complex rules often leads to dumb and primitive behavior.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:21 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:22 am
Posts: 9610
When he threw those two passes to Gronk, both for 26 each, I mean come on. Even Brady who probably laughs at some of the coverage packages he sees against Gronk had to be laughing his ass off.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:41 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:40 pm
Posts: 150
Given all of this confusion, they were lucky to get 11 guys on the field.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 pm
Posts: 6683
Jeemie wrote:
We should have pulled a Belichick and gone for it on 4th-1.
yup.

_________________
"I wish Fraudlin would get testicular cancer and die after he watches me anally penetrate his wife."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:26 pm
Posts: 4164
This is why the Pats win. They are always aware of the situation. It's amazing how much just being aware and planning can win you in the NFL. Two very simple things that most teams don't do, but the Patriots do very well.

As much as the Jesse James call sucked, the end result is still our fault. At the very least we could have sent the game into OT.

And I'm sorry, but Ben flat out choked on that play. He's been in the league long enough to be in control of that situation even if the coaches are not. I don't think it's too much to expect him to get everyone on the same page on the field. He's the fucking leader of the offense. Even during the confusion he could have A.) Spiked it anyway or B.) Not thrown the ball into quintuple coverage.

_________________
"Antonio Brown doesn't need to respond to anything," Tomlin said. "He walks into stadiums and he's Antonio Brown and he made Antonio Brown plays."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:30 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:16 pm
Posts: 6913
What a clusterfuck of coaches

_________________
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GflYTviOIag


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:11 pm
Posts: 1902
it's still yggy wrote:
I think the secondary is somewhat unhinged without Haden. Everyone back there has certain strengths and weaknesses but Haden’s presence has a way of containing the weaknesses. Burns looks sloppy and undisciplined. Mitchell looks a step or two slow. Davis looks lost at times. They need Haden back to stabilize them. This is a good unit when not tasked to do too much. They were top 2 till Haden went down.

I think some of it is butler too. To the extent butler has kept lebeaus concepts the pats will always have an advantage there.

But I think one of the key sequences was this

Quote:
No one wants to mention that, after Stephen Gostkowski's 46-yard field goal to cut it to 24-19 with 3:56 remaining, the Steelers responded with a three-and-out, that they came up short on third-and-4 with a 3-yard pass to Smith-Schuster and had to punt.


Two first downs very likely win that game


I think it has more to do with Shazier. He's the guy with the green dot, responsible for lining everyone up. Without him we are amidst chaos at the moment.

And yeah, also, because Tomlin...

_________________
Mike Tomlin. Useless idiot.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:41 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:56 pm
Posts: 1040
it's still yggy wrote:
I think the secondary is somewhat unhinged without Haden. Everyone back there has certain strengths and weaknesses but Haden’s presence has a way of containing the weaknesses. Burns looks sloppy and undisciplined. Mitchell looks a step or two slow. Davis looks lost at times. They need Haden back to stabilize them. This is a good unit when not tasked to do too much. They were top 2 till Haden went down.

I think some of it is butler too. To the extent butler has kept lebeaus concepts the pats will always have an advantage there.

But I think one of the key sequences was this

Quote:
No one wants to mention that, after Stephen Gostkowski's 46-yard field goal to cut it to 24-19 with 3:56 remaining, the Steelers responded with a three-and-out, that they came up short on third-and-4 with a 3-yard pass to Smith-Schuster and had to punt.


Two first downs very likely win that game


This is where I’m at.

I’m having trouble grasping the continuous communication problems. I just don’t get it. It’s week 14.

That being said, the 3 and out at the 4min mark was ultimately where the Steelers lost the game, IMO.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:55 pm 
Online

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:58 pm
Posts: 7041
StillerInCT wrote:
This is why the Pats win. They are always aware of the situation. It's amazing how much just being aware and planning can win you in the NFL. Two very simple things that most teams don't do, but the Patriots do very well.

As much as the Jesse James call sucked, the end result is still our fault. At the very least we could have sent the game into OT.

And I'm sorry, but Ben flat out choked on that play. He's been in the league long enough to be in control of that situation even if the coaches are not. I don't think it's too much to expect him to get everyone on the same page on the field. He's the fucking leader of the offense. Even during the confusion he could have A.) Spiked it anyway or B.) Not thrown the ball into quintuple coverage.

Oh dear gawd please stop. He did not throw into quintuple coverage! Or triple or even double coverage. He threw to an open receiver. The DB got away with grab and made a play. It sucks, but it happened.

_________________
"They're standing around, Butz!" - Kevin O'Shea


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm
Posts: 16758
Jeemie wrote:
In his presser, Mike Tomlin admitted there was supposed to be double coverage on Rob Gronkowski on the Patriots’ last TD drive...but somehow this didn’t get translated into the guys on the field actually...you know...doing it.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/130 ... -this-loss

Quote:
Tomlin also admitted the Steelers were supposed to have double coverage on Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski on the final drive. Instead, Gronkowski took advantage of breakdowns by catching three consecutive passes, for gains of 26, 26 and 17, on their final scoring drive and then the 2-point conversion — all in single coverage.


So what’s the deal here?

Are our coaches not communicating clearly to our players what they’re supposed to do?

Are our players free-lancing?

Are they stupid?

The person who wrote that all those plays were single coverage is wrong. I recall at least one where there was double coverage, with a safety over the top.

_________________
bradshaw2ben wrote:
PIT 30, LAC 17, NFL 16


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm
Posts: 16758
StillerInCT wrote:
This is why the Pats win. They are always aware of the situation. It's amazing how much just being aware and planning can win you in the NFL. Two very simple things that most teams don't do, but the Patriots do very well.

As much as the Jesse James call sucked, the end result is still our fault. At the very least we could have sent the game into OT.

And I'm sorry, but Ben flat out choked on that play. He's been in the league long enough to be in control of that situation even if the coaches are not. I don't think it's too much to expect him to get everyone on the same page on the field. He's the fucking leader of the offense. Even during the confusion he could have A.) Spiked it anyway or B.) Not thrown the ball into quintuple coverage.

was not quintuple coverage, no matter how much your anger at the result would like you to believe it. There was one defender and he was a step behind the receiver when the ball was released.

_________________
bradshaw2ben wrote:
PIT 30, LAC 17, NFL 16


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm
Posts: 23626
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
In his presser, Mike Tomlin admitted there was supposed to be double coverage on Rob Gronkowski on the Patriots’ last TD drive...but somehow this didn’t get translated into the guys on the field actually...you know...doing it.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/130 ... -this-loss

Quote:
Tomlin also admitted the Steelers were supposed to have double coverage on Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski on the final drive. Instead, Gronkowski took advantage of breakdowns by catching three consecutive passes, for gains of 26, 26 and 17, on their final scoring drive and then the 2-point conversion — all in single coverage.


So what’s the deal here?

Are our coaches not communicating clearly to our players what they’re supposed to do?

Are our players free-lancing?

Are they stupid?

The person who wrote that all those plays were single coverage is wrong. I recall at least one where there was double coverage, with a safety over the top.


There were three pass plays to Gronk on that drive...Mitchell was nowhere near over the top on Gronk on any of them, as far as I remember.

I remember on one of them, Pats had a 4 WR set, 2 receivers on each side (Gronk was in the slot), and Mitchell cheated to the pair of receivers OPPOSITE the side Gronk was on!

_________________
“A set of several simple rules leads to complex, intelligent behavior. While a set of complex rules often leads to dumb and primitive behavior.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am
Posts: 11980
Jeemie wrote:
Mitchell was nowhere near over the top on Gronk on any of them


To be fair, that doesn't exactly prove that Mitchell wasn't doubling Gronk (or supposed to be) :lol:

_________________
------------------------------------------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm
Posts: 23626
Kodiak wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Mitchell was nowhere near over the top on Gronk on any of them


To be fair, that doesn't exactly prove that Mitchell wasn't doubling Gronk (or supposed to be) :lol:


I know.

That’s why one of the options was “are the players stupid?”

_________________
“A set of several simple rules leads to complex, intelligent behavior. While a set of complex rules often leads to dumb and primitive behavior.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: More miscommunication issues
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm
Posts: 16758
Jeemie wrote:
There were three pass plays to Gronk on that drive...Mitchell was nowhere near over the top on Gronk on any of them, as far as I remember.

I remember on one of them, Pats had a 4 WR set, 2 receivers on each side (Gronk was in the slot), and Mitchell cheated to the pair of receivers OPPOSITE the side Gronk was on!

Not tha one. The one where TJ dropped to Gronk's seam/curl Davis had him in off man, and The safety was shaded to Gronk's post. Brady dropped it right in the narrow window between the three.

_________________
bradshaw2ben wrote:
PIT 30, LAC 17, NFL 16


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: BarryFoster, Google [Bot], GreekSteel, GreenwoodsGoldShoes, JaySteel72, Jobus Rum, LakecrestSteeler, Miter Saw, Poltargyst, SOCALSTEEL, Steel Drummer, TB, TTP, Y-Town Steel and 48 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
FORUM RULES --- PRIVACY POLICY




Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group