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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:28 pm 
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I hate this discussion. Go look at the Eagles depth chart for instance. Good 4-3 defenses have two full waves of front 4 players. At best the Steelers have one and that counts Bud Dupree as your top edge rusher. They are far away, especially given Shazier's status.


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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:11 pm 
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I hate this discussion. Go look at the Eagles depth chart for instance. Good 4-3 defenses have two full waves of front 4 players. At best the Steelers have one and that counts Bud Dupree as your top edge rusher. They are far away, especially given Shazier's status.

Exactamundo. That's either three years or a post-Ben $$$, Jacksonville-like signing spree on defense away from where we are now.

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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:15 pm 
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If you want to develop a better defense- 3-4 or 4-3...I don't care which- fire Joey Porter.

On the podcast, FC berates our drafts.

I'm the opposite...I berate our coaching up. Dupree, Watt, even Stenosis Jones- all had raw talent.

Porter couldn't develop them for shit, and he's a loudmouth asshole to boot.

When Kevin Greene came free, Porter should have been dropped in a heartbeat. Worse...Greene SAID he wanted to come to Pittsburgh.

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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:19 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
If you want to develop a better defense- 3-4 or 4-3...I don't care which- fire Joey Porter.

On the podcast, FC berates our drafts.

I'm the opposite...I berate our coaching up. Dupree, Watt, even Stenosis Jones- all had raw talent.

Porter couldn't develop them for shit, and he's a loudmouth asshole to boot.

When Kevin Greene came free, Porter should have been dropped in a heartbeat. Worse...Greene SAID he wanted to come to Pittsburgh.


I think Greene understands technique MUCH better than Porter. He got a lot more out of his given talent than did Porter. Too bad.


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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
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Baltostiller wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
If you want to develop a better defense- 3-4 or 4-3...I don't care which- fire Joey Porter.

On the podcast, FC berates our drafts.

I'm the opposite...I berate our coaching up. Dupree, Watt, even Stenosis Jones- all had raw talent.

Porter couldn't develop them for shit, and he's a loudmouth asshole to boot.

When Kevin Greene came free, Porter should have been dropped in a heartbeat. Worse...Greene SAID he wanted to come to Pittsburgh.


I think Greene understands technique MUCH better than Porter. He got a lot more out of his given talent than did Porter. Too bad.


I did jump the gun on Watt- it's early- he may simply have hit the rookie wall.

But Porter's track record is unimpressive.

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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
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Jeemie wrote:
Baltostiller wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
If you want to develop a better defense- 3-4 or 4-3...I don't care which- fire Joey Porter.

On the podcast, FC berates our drafts.

I'm the opposite...I berate our coaching up. Dupree, Watt, even Stenosis Jones- all had raw talent.

Porter couldn't develop them for shit, and he's a loudmouth asshole to boot.

When Kevin Greene came free, Porter should have been dropped in a heartbeat. Worse...Greene SAID he wanted to come to Pittsburgh.


I think Greene understands technique MUCH better than Porter. He got a lot more out of his given talent than did Porter. Too bad.


I did jump the gun on Watt- it's early- he may simply have hit the rookie wall.

But Porter's track record is unimpressive.


Let's hope that Watt relies more on tips/techinques from his brother than Porter :D


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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:37 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
If you want to develop a better defense- 3-4 or 4-3...I don't care which- fire Joey Porter.

On the podcast, FC berates our drafts.

I'm the opposite...I berate our coaching up. Dupree, Watt, even Stenosis Jones- all had raw talent.

Porter couldn't develop them for shit, and he's a loudmouth asshole to boot.

When Kevin Greene came free, Porter should have been dropped in a heartbeat. Worse...Greene SAID he wanted to come to Pittsburgh.




you might be on to something with the development of our OLBs under Peezys tutelage, however the fact that Jervis didn't catch on anywhere else leads me to believe the issue is in the scouting of OLBs and what it is we're looking for, id be all for showing porter the door AND getting some new eyes on the drafts OLBs prospects just to cover all our bases, because I think we'd all agree something is amiss with our OLBs. I rarely disagree with FC but I still think Watt turns into a stud.


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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
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Porter's track record is unimpressive.


But he’s buddies with Tomlin so going nowhere. Likely has a job as long as T does....


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 Post subject: Re: One player away from a 4-3?
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Porter's track record is unimpressive.


But he’s buddies with Tomlin so going nowhere. Likely has a job as long as T does....

Sad...but true.

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Jeemie wrote:
If you want to develop a better defense- 3-4 or 4-3...I don't care which- fire Joey Porter.

On the podcast, FC berates our drafts.

I'm the opposite...I berate our coaching up. Dupree, Watt, even Stenosis Jones- all had raw talent.

Porter couldn't develop them for shit, and he's a loudmouth asshole to boot.

When Kevin Greene came free, Porter should have been dropped in a heartbeat. Worse...Greene SAID he wanted to come to Pittsburgh.


You don't know shit about what Porter does or doesn't do as a position coach........Vince Lombardi couldn't have turned Jervis into an all-pro Raw talent???? soft, slow, and weak........hows that for talent.......Get rid of Porter and get a better defense????? for christs sake..... :lol: :lol:

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