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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:27 pm 
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Nick79 wrote:
it's still yggy wrote:
Reminds me of the international rules for soccer. There are like a total of 12 and that includes the dimensions of the fucking field and goal. 12. All legal plays, all penalties. Now sure soccer got its issues too but it never has to pull out Rule 8 article 4 section 2.4 in the public domain to cover its ass either


I've come to be a soccer fan, no commercials, barely any rules, no stoppages, and best of all no replay, just constant movement.

***But the asshole country, meaning the USA, is fighting hard to destroy that sport too, by trying to ram the cancer, known as replay, down their throats.


Seeing that the USA can't even qualify for the World Cup, I would say that if soccer decides on replay it's because they want it , not because the 50th ranked country in Soccer wants it.

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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
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Ref should have counted James “surviving the ground” when his knee hit and the ball was never bobbled, in fact James brings it into his chest.

The reach over the goal line should be James having it under control and making a “football move” to try and score a touchdown.


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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:30 pm 
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Also, there is not one photo or video showing that James does NOT have his fingers under the ball.

Because it was ruled a touchdown on the field according to the NFL there is not one frame of INCONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE that James fingers are elsewhere


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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
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Also, there is not one photo or video showing that James does NOT have his fingers under the ball.

Because it was ruled a touchdown on the field according to the NFL there is not one frame of CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE that James fingers are elsewhere


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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
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Fingers under the ball means fuckall. Have you seen refs call of TD catches because the receiver bobble the ball up in the air as they went to the ground ball bounces off their chest, they catch it the ball NEVER hit the ground nor even close to it, and it STILL gets called NO TD. It's happening. The movement of the ball is what is focused on in the rules if the WR goes to the ground so again, regardless if his fingers were under the ball or not, it does not matter.

What people should not confuse is the verbiage; initial contact with the ground in JJ's catch was his KNEE (like having two feet down) THEN, he makes a football move (stretching out the ball with both hands). EVERYTHING AFTER THAT IS MOOT POINT. IT'S A FUCKING TOUCHDOWN. Within rules: that was a TD. Doesn't even fucking matter that the ball moved at that point. It's bullshit. But at least focus and bitch about the right bullshit.


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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Fingers under the ball means fuckall. Have you seen refs call of TD catches because the receiver bobble the ball up in the air as they went to the ground ball bounces off their chest, they catch it the ball NEVER hit the ground nor even close to it, and it STILL gets called NO TD. It's happening. The movement of the ball is what is focused on in the rules if the WR goes to the ground so again, regardless if his fingers were under the ball or not, it does not matter.

What people should not confuse is the verbiage; initial contact with the ground in JJ's catch was his KNEE (like having two feet down) THEN, he makes a football move (stretching out the ball with both hands). EVERYTHING AFTER THAT IS MOOT POINT. IT'S A FUCKING TOUCHDOWN. Within rules: that was a TD. Doesn't even fucking matter that the ball moved at that point. It's bullshit. But at least focus and bitch about the right bullshit.

I agree 100% with your second paragraph and disagree 100% with your 1st paragraph. Not sure if you left out going out of bounds, but the ball moving does not negate a catch when going to the ground. It only matters that it stops moving at some point, you are in control, you are in the field of play, and hell the ground can even be touching the ball as long as long as you have control.


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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
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What I don't understand is that once the Nose of the Ball crosses the Endzone Line (Plane) it's a TOUCHDOWN. JJ had the ball firmly in his hands when the ball crossed the plane of the Endzone line. This should have been ruled a TD based solely on this alone. If a player has the ball and it crosses the line it's a TD even if the ball is smacked out of their hand as soon as they are in the endzone. This was a HORRENDOUS call that cost us the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
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Jeemie wrote:
The problem in today's world is that no one can deal with ambiguity anymore.

Black or white. Conservative or liberal. Everything defined, labeled, and put into neat little boxes. Here's a list of trigger phrases you can't say, or you're a racist, sexist scum. Here's what you can say, exactly when you can say it.

I'm arguing this rule on another board, and all I'm getting is a "but if there isn't a clearly defined rule, how will we know that it's a catch?"

The idea that you can look at something and kind of just know what it is is too disconcerting to people.

The idea that there can be ambiguity in the world and that you don't have to legislate each and every little thing is evidently too much for people to deal with.
Not that I don't agree, but what exactly are you trying to say with this?

It's something soccer has dealt with since it's inception. American culture is not like that. At all. The ambiguity and not trying to legislate every little thing. Or prescribing a pill for every little ailment, allowing you to continue your destructive lifestyle.

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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Fingers under the ball means fuckall. Have you seen refs call of TD catches because the receiver bobble the ball up in the air as they went to the ground ball bounces off their chest, they catch it the ball NEVER hit the ground nor even close to it, and it STILL gets called NO TD. It's happening. The movement of the ball is what is focused on in the rules if the WR goes to the ground so again, regardless if his fingers were under the ball or not, it does not matter.

What people should not confuse is the verbiage; initial contact with the ground in JJ's catch was his KNEE (like having two feet down) THEN, he makes a football move (stretching out the ball with both hands). EVERYTHING AFTER THAT IS MOOT POINT. IT'S A FUCKING TOUCHDOWN. Within rules: that was a TD. Doesn't even fucking matter that the ball moved at that point. It's bullshit. But at least focus and bitch about the right bullshit.



I agree 100% with your second paragraph and disagree 100% with your 1st paragraph. Not sure if you left out going out of bounds, but the ball moving does not negate a catch when going to the ground. It only matters that it stops moving at some point, you are in control, you are in the field of play, and hell the ground can even be touching the ball as long as long as you have control.


Wr’s that have bobbled the ball up in air and even bounced off their chest and lost the ball all together when hitting the ground have regained control without the ball hitting the ground and it’s been called no catch. It’s happening. You are wrong saying that it only matters that it stops moving at some point. Dead wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Picture is worth a 1000 words?
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SteelThrillsseeker...I’ve never seen a catch overruled just because the ball moved, period.

Do you have some specific examples?

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