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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:54 pm 
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Steelcody36 wrote:
Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Steelcody36 wrote:

Nice intelligent response.

Come back when you have something smart to say. Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


But those who substitute the word moron for retard are truly the Poincare of our generation. Either you are the least self-aware easily offended person of all time or you are a great troll.


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They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments.


I can't stop laughing at how "thoughts and prayers" apparently triggers you.


He's a textbook example of why the "New Atheist" movement of last decade fizzled out.


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Wow! He wasn't attacking Shazier or his family, he was simply pointing out the silly thought that prayer was going to help him heal when God put him there in the first place.
However, I understand the outrage from all you fine upstanding Christian individuals, and I too would love to see Cody killed by a bus, banned and forever damned to hell for his beliefs. Lol. Love me some hypocrisy.


Don't worry Raptor, that's how religious people are haha.

They cry and threaten bodily harm on others, when I was pointing out the foolishness of Shazier's dad's comments. They act like Shazier's family would all jump from a bridge having read my comment. It's the same as a person with cancer thanking God for their recovery, when a team of medical professionals saved them. Their God implanted cancer in them, haha. (cancer = genetic anomaly and poor health) More people die in the name of their religion than in any war. It's an embarrassing flaw in humans.

I respect everyone's views "in real life". Hell, I buy gifts for 2-3 angel tree families a year, am a special education teacher, take food to homeless people, and on and on.

I want Shazier to make a full recovery to make the Steelers better. His well being has nothing to do with ANY of our lives. Sorry, I'm not PC and the dude caused his own injury. Obviously I feel horrible for the guy and hope he lives a normal life outside of football.

Also for RS's keyboard warrior post, I've had plenty of run-ins with religious people. They're the ones who end up yelling and making threats because there's no intelligent backing for the existence of a God.

How many of you Christian fruitcakes wished injury on Brady and Gronk?
It's a message board and I think most of you are fucking morons, so tact isn't my priority.


Wow, I can't think of a better example of “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt.”

Talk about contradiction and plain disingenuousness. Respect is exactly what you obviously have none of. Don't pretend like you do just because of a few token acts of kindness.


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But I know God is getting the message


If reading an innocuous comment like the one above from a stranger that is in no way directed at you and obviously is being used as a source of strength for them during a trying time propels you to “point out the foolishness” of their comments in addition to calling said person or anyone that agrees with them a “dumbass sheep” then you are most definitely a delicate snowflake.


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This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

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BarryFoster wrote:
This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

Amen Barry...oops, sorry. I mean, well said Barry... :mrgreen:
(And we all know you meant to say “seasonal” love...of course.)

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Jobus Rum wrote:
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This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

Amen Barry...oops, sorry. I mean, well said Barry... :mrgreen:
(And we all know you meant to say “seasonal” love...of course.)


Sorry if the use of “Holiday” offended anyone. I assumed it was generic enough to limit the number of people who might find it offensive.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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BarryFoster wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
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This thread is brutal. I just wanted to read about Shaz doing better.

Feeling the Holiday love.

Amen Barry...oops, sorry. I mean, well said Barry... :mrgreen:
(And we all know you meant to say “seasonal” love...of course.)


Sorry if the use of “Holiday” offended anyone. I assumed it was generic enough to limit the number of people who might find it offensive.


Cody's going to tear you a new one once he gets off of his fainting couch!


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Steelcody36 wrote:
Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


Cody might have made a simplistic and pointlessly rude comment about believing in God, but iirc what Cody does for a living, he does God's work and the word retard would offend him.

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Still Lit wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Steelcody36 wrote:
Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


Cody might have made a simplistic and pointlessly rude comment about believing in God, but iirc what Cody does for a living, he does God's work and the word retard would offend him.

Does he live in a glass house as well?

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Listen,

I've always thought Cody as a backwoods, ignorant, know nothing, redneck, bootlicking, SlingBlade-looking, mouthbreathing, dullard, (look it up in the archives), but today proved it. Sad thing is, he is not trolling, he thinks he has a real point. His students could probably teach him a thing or two.....like reading, writing and arithmetic. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Listen,

I've always thought Cody as a backwoods, ignorant, know nothing, redneck, bootlicking, SlingBlade-looking, mouthbreathing, dullard, (look it up in the archives), but today proved it. Sad thing is, he is not trolling, he thinks he has a real point. His students could probably teach him a thing or two.....like reading, writing and arithmetic. :lol:

Wait...he's a fucking teacher?! Holy shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Still Lit wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Steelcody36 wrote:
Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


Cody might have made a simplistic and pointlessly rude comment about believing in God, but iirc what Cody does for a living, he does God's work and the word retard would offend him.


Yet he is okay with moron. I mean, it’s one thing to take easy offense at words and be kind of a buzzkill about it. But a hypocrite?


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Be nice to hear something concrete.

Can he stand? Is he walking? Full movement? Partial?

Anything?


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Be nice to hear something concrete.

Can he stand? Is he walking? Full movement? Partial?

Anything?


This is where I am on this, too, though from what I've read, the family is in charge of the flow of information, and I respect their right to be.

Figured a 7 or 8 page thread on the subject meant there was some news. Mildly disappointed to say the least.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Still Lit wrote:
Cody and SteelRaptor,

As an agnostic, let me just say....

First, science cannot test for God's existence because God is supposed a non-physical being. A metaphysical entity is simply beyond what science studies and accepts. Some neurobiologists will also insist there is no such thing as mind or consciousness for the same reason.

Second, there are rational proofs for the existence of God. Whether you accept the reasoning is another story. I assure you, Thomas Aquinas was not a dullard.

I do not understand the need to be pointlessly provocative in this cas


If you replace "non-physical" and "metaphysical" with "fictitious", then is this line of reasoning equally valid?

"First, science cannot test for God's existence because God is supposed a fictitious being. A fictitious entity is simply beyond what science studies and accepts.

I say fictitious because there is no proof beyond mankind's imagining that a metaphysical reality exists. Aristotle was no dullard, but history has shown how often he was wrong.

This is the problem with Hugh Everett's multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics. It avoids the hand waving silliness of the wave equation collapsing to a single outcome upon observation. However, by definition we can never reach another multiverse and thus the theory can never be validated. The multiverse is like god. As such, the multiverse remains an intricate and imaginative theory...which could have been devised by a science fiction writer as much as a brilliant and brilliantly disturbed genius like Everett.

If we imagine the existence of a god, do we then accept that any imaginative metaphysical creation of the human mind cannot be logically disproved? If it cannot be disproved but cannot be validated, does it exist? Or do we simply punt the problem down the road by saying well...we cannot disprove that the multiverse or metaphysical beings exist because by definition they are beyond our reality?

That latter seems to be a case of severe anthromorphic arrogance even if it logically follows. It is just as unsatisfying as unabated logical empiricism.

The decidedly non-religious vitriol spewed by god's advocates to a crass and hurtful comment....well y'all took the bait. All great philosophies warn against battling crass with crass.

On a more practical note, how does the organization handle the inevitable parting of ways with Shazier this offseason? If Ryan desires, perhaps an assistant coaching position? He QB'd the defense so it isn't a stretch.

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I would be surprised, if it indeed come to that, should the organization not show a lot of class in the way he is treated.


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ChicagoSteel, by calling god fictitious, you assume what you wish to prove. Begging the question is never persuasive.

The sciences only accept what can be tested via experimentation. If a god exists, it cannot be confirmed via experimentation.

I did not say god exists. I said such an entity is beyond the capacity of the sciences to confirm or disconfirm.

I would add, geometrical objects are non-physical but would claim that geometrical objects are real. Maybe you think triangles and their properties are fictions. I would also add that we demonstrate the properties of triangles via reason, not experimentation.

Happy to pm rather than further muck up the thread.

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The way the info is coming out,,,,,,,it really makes you think he's gonna have some long term issues. Maybe not wheelchair bound issues, but issues nonetheless. :|

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The way the info is coming out,,,,,,,it really makes you think he's gonna have some long term issues. Maybe not wheelchair bound issues, but issues nonetheless. :|


Beginning to be my fear as well.


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Visited the Steeler complex in a wheelchair

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Kodiak wrote:
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Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


None of you dimwits could offend me, lol.

Simply pointing out the stupidity of an adult who doesn't have a better reply than that.


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The bottom line is he's unable to walk and a rather invasive surgery was performed.

The guy won't play professional football again, at least at the level he was once able to. He will be lucky to regain complete functionality of his legs/back. RE: God. God was created to keep the ignorant masses under control. You believed in whatever God or Gods your King, Leader, etc told you to. Nowadays you believe in whatever God you are raised to, and some people are intelligent enough to realize how unlikely it is for any God to exist. Saying "prove God doesn't exist" is silly and flawed, because there's never been any evidence of a God. It's the same as if I asked someone to prove the existence of bigfoot or another mythical beast.

You can't and don't have to prove that such a thing exists because there is zero evidence supporting it. People used to worship fire, rain, etc because they were unable to comprehend their existence. If anyone cares to have the discussion without crying like a little baby, send a PM.


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