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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:27 pm 
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Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


Cody might have made a simplistic and pointlessly rude comment about believing in God, but iirc what Cody does for a living, he does God's work and the word retard would offend him.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


Cody might have made a simplistic and pointlessly rude comment about believing in God, but iirc what Cody does for a living, he does God's work and the word retard would offend him.

Does he live in a glass house as well?

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:19 pm 
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Listen,

I've always thought Cody as a backwoods, ignorant, know nothing, redneck, bootlicking, SlingBlade-looking, mouthbreathing, dullard, (look it up in the archives), but today proved it. Sad thing is, he is not trolling, he thinks he has a real point. His students could probably teach him a thing or two.....like reading, writing and arithmetic. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Listen,

I've always thought Cody as a backwoods, ignorant, know nothing, redneck, bootlicking, SlingBlade-looking, mouthbreathing, dullard, (look it up in the archives), but today proved it. Sad thing is, he is not trolling, he thinks he has a real point. His students could probably teach him a thing or two.....like reading, writing and arithmetic. :lol:

Wait...he's a fucking teacher?! Holy shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Still Lit wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
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Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


Cody might have made a simplistic and pointlessly rude comment about believing in God, but iirc what Cody does for a living, he does God's work and the word retard would offend him.


Yet he is okay with moron. I mean, it’s one thing to take easy offense at words and be kind of a buzzkill about it. But a hypocrite?


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Be nice to hear something concrete.

Can he stand? Is he walking? Full movement? Partial?

Anything?


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Be nice to hear something concrete.

Can he stand? Is he walking? Full movement? Partial?

Anything?


This is where I am on this, too, though from what I've read, the family is in charge of the flow of information, and I respect their right to be.

Figured a 7 or 8 page thread on the subject meant there was some news. Mildly disappointed to say the least.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:49 am 
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Still Lit wrote:
Cody and SteelRaptor,

As an agnostic, let me just say....

First, science cannot test for God's existence because God is supposed a non-physical being. A metaphysical entity is simply beyond what science studies and accepts. Some neurobiologists will also insist there is no such thing as mind or consciousness for the same reason.

Second, there are rational proofs for the existence of God. Whether you accept the reasoning is another story. I assure you, Thomas Aquinas was not a dullard.

I do not understand the need to be pointlessly provocative in this cas


If you replace "non-physical" and "metaphysical" with "fictitious", then is this line of reasoning equally valid?

"First, science cannot test for God's existence because God is supposed a fictitious being. A fictitious entity is simply beyond what science studies and accepts.

I say fictitious because there is no proof beyond mankind's imagining that a metaphysical reality exists. Aristotle was no dullard, but history has shown how often he was wrong.

This is the problem with Hugh Everett's multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics. It avoids the hand waving silliness of the wave equation collapsing to a single outcome upon observation. However, by definition we can never reach another multiverse and thus the theory can never be validated. The multiverse is like god. As such, the multiverse remains an intricate and imaginative theory...which could have been devised by a science fiction writer as much as a brilliant and brilliantly disturbed genius like Everett.

If we imagine the existence of a god, do we then accept that any imaginative metaphysical creation of the human mind cannot be logically disproved? If it cannot be disproved but cannot be validated, does it exist? Or do we simply punt the problem down the road by saying well...we cannot disprove that the multiverse or metaphysical beings exist because by definition they are beyond our reality?

That latter seems to be a case of severe anthromorphic arrogance even if it logically follows. It is just as unsatisfying as unabated logical empiricism.

The decidedly non-religious vitriol spewed by god's advocates to a crass and hurtful comment....well y'all took the bait. All great philosophies warn against battling crass with crass.

On a more practical note, how does the organization handle the inevitable parting of ways with Shazier this offseason? If Ryan desires, perhaps an assistant coaching position? He QB'd the defense so it isn't a stretch.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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I would be surprised, if it indeed come to that, should the organization not show a lot of class in the way he is treated.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:10 am 
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ChicagoSteel, by calling god fictitious, you assume what you wish to prove. Begging the question is never persuasive.

The sciences only accept what can be tested via experimentation. If a god exists, it cannot be confirmed via experimentation.

I did not say god exists. I said such an entity is beyond the capacity of the sciences to confirm or disconfirm.

I would add, geometrical objects are non-physical but would claim that geometrical objects are real. Maybe you think triangles and their properties are fictions. I would also add that we demonstrate the properties of triangles via reason, not experimentation.

Happy to pm rather than further muck up the thread.

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The way the info is coming out,,,,,,,it really makes you think he's gonna have some long term issues. Maybe not wheelchair bound issues, but issues nonetheless. :|

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The way the info is coming out,,,,,,,it really makes you think he's gonna have some long term issues. Maybe not wheelchair bound issues, but issues nonetheless. :|


Beginning to be my fear as well.


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Visited the Steeler complex in a wheelchair

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ryan ... ssion=true


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Kodiak wrote:
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Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


None of you dimwits could offend me, lol.

Simply pointing out the stupidity of an adult who doesn't have a better reply than that.


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The bottom line is he's unable to walk and a rather invasive surgery was performed.

The guy won't play professional football again, at least at the level he was once able to. He will be lucky to regain complete functionality of his legs/back. RE: God. God was created to keep the ignorant masses under control. You believed in whatever God or Gods your King, Leader, etc told you to. Nowadays you believe in whatever God you are raised to, and some people are intelligent enough to realize how unlikely it is for any God to exist. Saying "prove God doesn't exist" is silly and flawed, because there's never been any evidence of a God. It's the same as if I asked someone to prove the existence of bigfoot or another mythical beast.

You can't and don't have to prove that such a thing exists because there is zero evidence supporting it. People used to worship fire, rain, etc because they were unable to comprehend their existence. If anyone cares to have the discussion without crying like a little baby, send a PM.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Steelcody36 wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
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Any adult who uses the word retard has an IQ below 70.


So using the word "retard" offends you, but not saying "God took their legs" about someone who can't walk?


None of you dimwits could offend me, lol.

Simply pointing out the stupidity of an adult who doesn't have a better reply than that.


Dimwits and moron = okay, but retards is terrible. Got it. Thanks for the update dipshit.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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Using the word to mean "stupid" or "dumbass" is actually pretty offensive. The Best Buddies chapter at our school (couple students asked me to come on as faculty advisor about 8 years ago, and it's been a rewarding experience to say the least) has done a really good job changing our culture to the point where our students don't use it in the incorrect and frankly bigoted manner very much anymore if at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Shazier's dad: Son is improving.
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The bottom line is he's unable to walk and a rather invasive surgery was performed.

The guy won't play professional football again, at least at the level he was once able to. He will be lucky to regain complete functionality of his legs/back. RE: God. God was created to keep the ignorant masses under control. You believed in whatever God or Gods your King, Leader, etc told you to. Nowadays you believe in whatever God you are raised to, and some people are intelligent enough to realize how unlikely it is for any God to exist. Saying "prove God doesn't exist" is silly and flawed, because there's never been any evidence of a God. It's the same as if I asked someone to prove the existence of bigfoot or another mythical beast.

You can't and don't have to prove that such a thing exists because there is zero evidence supporting it. People used to worship fire, rain, etc because they were unable to comprehend their existence. If anyone cares to have the discussion without crying like a little baby, send a PM.

I think that life is difficult, and everyone arbitrarily chooses the religious beliefs that give them comfort. I think that you are comforted by atheism and the idea that there is no god, so that's what you've embraced, but you don't KNOW there isn't a god. My original objection isn't to your atheism, I couldn't care less what you believe or don't believe, but to the insensitivity. Acting like you know better than others and seeking to push your beliefs on others is not a good look. I don't like it when fundie Christians do it either. Don't be a fundie atheist. And if the Shazier family was comforted by praying to Santa Claus or Batman or Frodo Baggins that they would come and heal Ryan, WTF do you care?

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Steelcody36 wrote:
The bottom line is he's unable to walk and a rather invasive surgery was performed.

The guy won't play professional football again, at least at the level he was once able to. He will be lucky to regain complete functionality of his legs/back. RE: God. God was created to keep the ignorant masses under control. You believed in whatever God or Gods your King, Leader, etc told you to. Nowadays you believe in whatever God you are raised to, and some people are intelligent enough to realize how unlikely it is for any God to exist. Saying "prove God doesn't exist" is silly and flawed, because there's never been any evidence of a God. It's the same as if I asked someone to prove the existence of bigfoot or another mythical beast.

You can't and don't have to prove that such a thing exists because there is zero evidence supporting it. People used to worship fire, rain, etc because they were unable to comprehend their existence. If anyone cares to have the discussion without crying like a little baby, send a PM.


I'm sure people will be lining up for an intelligent, thoughtful conversation with you about religion Codester. :lol: :lol:

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Remember when everyone here hated the Shazier draft pick, criticized his build, complained about his wrist circumstance, bitched about him always being hurt, wanted him to play safety and called him Shazpussy?

Yeah we’ll, you’re all a bunch of hypocritical assholes!

Empty gestures aside, the kid was a great player and I just hope dude walks again.


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