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As much as it pains me to say it, I’m drifting away from football. The NFL is sapping all the joy out of it. https://nypost.com/2017/12/22/why-pro-f ... -to-watch/
My 2 cent$. First let me say it was very difficult for me to post this. I'm not looking for any sympathy. Just thoughts from the SteelerFury fan base. That said, this article I found this morning echos my mentality and feelings regarding the NFL and it's continual manipulation of the game the NFL once represented and stood for. I like most here have heard the talk of long standing fans threatening to move on from the NFL. I myself know of many such fans including some of my own family members that have completely stopped supporting the NFL. Going back to the now infamous kneeling demonstration. As veterans of the United States Military they made their choice based on patriotism and their Respect for their country. They were/are disgusted by the demonstration even though they understand that individuals right to do so. Had the individual not been in Uniform it would have been a better tactic is what was conveyed to me. I understand and agree with their point.
Anyway, after the last legal call against the Steelers TE Jesse James "didn't survive the ground" I realised this game has become far too scripted through rule manipulation. Those days of simply crossing the goal line making it a touchdown are now long in the rear view. Those days we all played like crazed lunatics in the backyard are long over. The game has been manipulated into this overly complicated reliance on replay and thereby officiating. I myself disagree with the amount of control officiating has. No one even the officials can tell what a legal catch is anymore. Without great controversy. No one knows for sure the difference between roughing the passer and legal contact anymore because the implementation of the rule varies depending upon what QB is in the back field. Just for a couple of examples off the top of the head. The more the rules have changed and are implemented over the history of NFL the more the game has become unwatchable in my opinion.
Every year there's modifications and/or overhauls of these rules that only benefit the game in a matter that generates longer time in reviewing/officiating slowing the game to an almost complete stop improving sponsorship viewing time generating more $ for the already Billionaire ownership. When will it become more about the sport and less about the revenue? Never. Those days are far long gone. I have already supported the NFL through my purchase of NFL Sunday Ticket for many, many years. Which by the way I did not pay for this season because I resigned with Direct TV. So anyway, I wanted an Authentic T.J. Watt (home) jersey with the DMR patch. Wanted it bad. Can not see myself supporting a what I believe to be a corrupt system that doesn't even care to support their own fan base with a respectable (wholesome) quality product. Like I remember it being.
Some may tell me to shut the hell up and quit crying like a bitch. Others may feel the same way. To each their own. At this point, I want to say this is the last season following the Steelers and by default the NFL. They have managed to completely ruin a life long passion and lifestyle. I've never been divorced but this is what I imagine it might feel like after 40 years of Steelers/NFL loyalty and faithfulness. Sans the half of everything... :lol:
Harder to quit the Steelers than smoking cigarettes for me. Especially the home I've found here at this esteemed discussion forum for the past 8 years. Can't rule out a back slide... ;)
For me this is more about the watering down and manipulation of the game I love more than my walking away from it.


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I agree with the replays and penalty increases. But the real reason the NFL sucks is the lack of talent and shitty teams. Most teams just aren't good. The Steelers have one of the most talented teams in the league and even they went through a stretch where they were almost unwatchable.

I have a theory that the passing rules they implemented 5 or so years ago have shifted the focus of teams to the defensive side of the ball. Just take a look at the composition of the first rounds over the past few years. Teams have heavily invested on the defensive side of the ball. Now, in my opinion, NFL offenses are brutally bad even with the rules favoring that side of the ball. A lot of the premiere talent and resources have been spent on defense.

There used to be a time when I'd be tuning into the NFL today, but instead I find myself watching Netflix instead.

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I hear you CT. I have the red zone channel and still don't watch. I'm more into the Discovery channels like Homestead Rescue and Alaska the last Frontier for example...


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Steelafan77 wrote:
I hear you CT. I have the red zone channel and still don't watch. I'm more into the Discovery channels like Homestead Rescue and Alaska the last Frontier for example...


How's Alaska the Last Frontier?

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I agree with the replays and penalty increases. But the real reason the NFL sucks is the lack of talent and shitty teams. Most teams just aren't good. The Steelers have one of the most talented teams in the league and even they went through a stretch where they were almost unwatchable.

I have a theory that the passing rules they implemented 5 or so years ago have shifted the focus of teams to the defensive side of the ball. Just take a look at the composition of the first rounds over the past few years. Teams have heavily invested on the defensive side of the ball. Now, in my opinion, NFL offenses are brutally bad even with the rules favoring that side of the ball. A lot of the premiere talent and resources have been spent on defense.

There used to be a time when I'd be tuning into the NFL today, but instead I find myself watching Netflix instead.


To me, the biggest issue with the league favoring the passing game is that it has amplified the importance of the QB position, and there’s only about 10 legitimate QBs in the league at any given time, meaning 20 teams have very little hope of legitimately contending.

Which is kind of ironic because while they were changing the rules to favor passing, they were also making a big deal about pushing for more league parity, but that’s almost guaranteed to never happen when the league is so dependent on the one position that is also the hardest to fill.


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Steelafan77 wrote:
I hear you CT. I have the red zone channel and still don't watch. I'm more into the Discovery channels like Homestead Rescue and Alaska the last Frontier for example...


i'm more into The Last Alaskans.


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I only watch the Steelers. I used to watch every game I could. It's just not interesting anymore.

The incessant flags, silly reviews (see James, Jesse) make other games uninteresting.


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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
StillerInCT wrote:
I agree with the replays and penalty increases. But the real reason the NFL sucks is the lack of talent and shitty teams. Most teams just aren't good. The Steelers have one of the most talented teams in the league and even they went through a stretch where they were almost unwatchable.

I have a theory that the passing rules they implemented 5 or so years ago have shifted the focus of teams to the defensive side of the ball. Just take a look at the composition of the first rounds over the past few years. Teams have heavily invested on the defensive side of the ball. Now, in my opinion, NFL offenses are brutally bad even with the rules favoring that side of the ball. A lot of the premiere talent and resources have been spent on defense.

There used to be a time when I'd be tuning into the NFL today, but instead I find myself watching Netflix instead.


To me, the biggest issue with the league favoring the passing game is that it has amplified the importance of the QB position, and there’s only about 10 legitimate QBs in the league at any given time, meaning 20 teams have very little hope of legitimately contending.

Which is kind of ironic because while they were changing the rules to favor passing, they were also making a big deal about pushing for more league parity, but that’s almost guaranteed to never happen when the league is so dependent on the one position that is also the hardest to fill.


This.

It's a heck of a lot harder to throw the ball vs run it and the league tried so hard make it easy to even the playing field.

Other thing that ties into is that the NFL believes: More passing= more exciting = more eyes = more dollars

But man so many of these games are awful to watch... So devoid of talent


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We’re the past.

The author is the past.

The NFL doesn’t care about us anymore.

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I'm actually encouraged that there is finally and thankfully some HATE being generated for REPLAY. I've hated it, since they implemented it! I'd rather just live with mistakes, I feel like there are just as many mistakes upon further review! I don't want to stop the game 10-12 times for replays! I'd be happier if they get a few wrong, it's not like they aren't anyways. I'd also eliminate 50% of the rules! I mean who cares about a formation penalty? Then they erase a 50 yard pass because some guys foot was 6" too far back! Or go to Canadian motion rules, better than stopping for every tiny flinch or step. Just make it a goal for there to be almost no flags thrown ever.


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I only watch the Steelers. I used to watch every game I could. It's just not interesting anymore.

The incessant flags, silly reviews (see James, Jesse) make other games uninteresting.


A lot of these Sundays where the Steelers didn't play and where on MNF, TNF or SNF I didn't turn football on all day!

I know I'm the rare person, but I DON'T CARE about "getting it right", it's just not worth ruining the flow of the game constantly to try to be perfect with replay.


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Nick79 wrote:
Baltostiller wrote:
I only watch the Steelers. I used to watch every game I could. It's just not interesting anymore.

The incessant flags, silly reviews (see James, Jesse) make other games uninteresting.


A lot of these Sundays where the Steelers didn't play and where on MNF, TNF or SNF I didn't turn football on all day!

I know I'm the rare person, but I DON'T CARE about "getting it right", it's just not worth ruining the flow of the game constantly to try to be perfect with replay.


While the flow of the game is a problem, the bigger problem is they aren't even "getting it right"...

unless of course you are a patriot fan - then they always get it right.... for you.


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The NHL is so much more fun to watch than the NFL, it's not even funny.

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I agree with the op.

Also for me the kneeling,incessant jaw jacking, pushing and shoving on every play.
The dancing , pounding of chests, on every play no matter if it’s a three yard run. Regardless if one team is getting their ass handed to them.
Now the stupid azz choreograhed “celebrations” .

I’m 45 old school kind of guy. Can’t stand loudmouths,showboating. Or blatant disrespect for this country.

The NFL is getting thin for me.
Gave up the NBA a long time due to the same reasoning.
Baseball more so due to it being boring to watch.
NHL is still good to go unfortunately living in Florida I can’t catch many Pens games.


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Jeemie wrote:
We’re the past.

The author is the past.

The NFL doesn’t care about us anymore.

And they will sorely regret this. I quit watching the NBA for the same reasons.

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Nick79 wrote:
I'm actually encouraged that there is finally and thankfully some HATE being generated for REPLAY. I've hated it, since they implemented it! I'd rather just live with mistakes,


I agree


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I'm actually encouraged that there is finally and thankfully some HATE being generated for REPLAY. I've hated it, since they implemented it! I'd rather just live with mistakes,


I agree


I actually had this thought yesterday as I saw how the refs screwed Kelvin Benjamin of the Bills out of a TD...

Make "what is a Catch" a NON-REVIEWABLE JUDGEMENT CALL like DPI and Holding and just be done with it! Of course they won't do it, but it makes sense, no matter how much they mess with it, THEY NEVER GET IT RIGHT ANYWAYS!!!!!

Makes the fucking league look bad too! Makes it look like they are favoring, ahem... certain teams. Takes away awesome plays from future highlight reels, Think Lynn Swann or The Immaculate Reception ERASED FROM HISTORY.

I am actually about sick of the NFL, I watched some college football and also this year watched some Canadian football and in those games they have replay and they do throw flags, but not with the magnitude of the NFL. In the NFL the referees and the replay are the central characters in the show, the players are way less important.


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Steelafan77 wrote:
I hear you CT. I have the red zone channel and still don't watch. I'm more into the Discovery channels like Homestead Rescue and Alaska the last Frontier for example...


How's Alaska the Last Frontier?

Fairly good. I really like the Homestead Rescue. I'm also into the Maine Cabin Masters... Love the DIY shit and dig the real time survival stuff. Discovery channels are my go to's. Absolutely love the How the Universe Works, national geo Explorers and their new one the Long Road Home I believe it's called. Impossible Engineering and a bunch more.I agree swiss Really like the Alaska ones. Below Zero is awesome too.


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Tennis is a great sport. Fed, Nadal, Murray, Djok all set for an exciting year. Serena back. Replay system works. Just saying.

5 years ago NFL was without peer. Now just a joke of its former self.


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Steelafan77 wrote:
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Steelafan77 wrote:
I hear you CT. I have the red zone channel and still don't watch. I'm more into the Discovery channels like Homestead Rescue and Alaska the last Frontier for example...


How's Alaska the Last Frontier?

Fairly good. I really like the Homestead Rescue. I'm also into the Maine Cabin Masters... Love the DIY shit and dig the real time survival stuff. Discovery channels are my go to's. Absolutely love the How the Universe Works, national geo Explorers and their new one the Long Road Home I believe it's called. Impossible Engineering and a bunch more.I agree swiss Really like the Alaska ones. Below Zero is awesome too.



Yeah, I like Below Zero, too.


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Nick79 wrote:
Baltostiller wrote:
I only watch the Steelers. I used to watch every game I could. It's just not interesting anymore.

The incessant flags, silly reviews (see James, Jesse) make other games uninteresting.


A lot of these Sundays where the Steelers didn't play and where on MNF, TNF or SNF I didn't turn football on all day!

I know I'm the rare person, but I DON'T CARE about "getting it right", it's just not worth ruining the flow of the game constantly to try to be perfect with replay.


I prefer them "getting it right" when it comes to things like 2 feet in on a catch and fumble rulings, when it is very obvious what is the correct call. The super slo-mo frame by frame "did the ball move" shit has to go. I'd love to beat the shit out of the guy who wrote "football move" into the rule book.


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Baltostiller wrote:
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Baltostiller wrote:
I only watch the Steelers. I used to watch every game I could. It's just not interesting anymore.

The incessant flags, silly reviews (see James, Jesse) make other games uninteresting.


A lot of these Sundays where the Steelers didn't play and where on MNF, TNF or SNF I didn't turn football on all day!

I know I'm the rare person, but I DON'T CARE about "getting it right", it's just not worth ruining the flow of the game constantly to try to be perfect with replay.


I prefer them "getting it right" when it comes to things like 2 feet in on a catch and fumble rulings, when it is very obvious what is the correct call. The super slo-mo frame by frame "did the ball move" shit has to go. I'd love to beat the shit out of the guy who wrote "football move" into the rule book.


Football move, Defenseless player (now no longer limited to receivers)...all things that are fucking up our game.


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86n96 wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
We’re the past.

The author is the past.

The NFL doesn’t care about us anymore.

And they will sorely regret this. I quit watching the NBA for the same reasons.


The popularity of the NBA is exploding. TV ratings are up 30% this year, and will only continue to go up over time. They actually celebrate their superstars and embrace players with personality, whereas the NFL is all about toeing the line and saying all the right things. God forbid you step out of line and actually say what you honestly think like a Richard Sherman or Deangelo Williams. Could you imagine a Steven Adams or Joel Embiid in Roger Goodell’s NFL? Not a chance in hell. The NBA is about the drama on the court, whereas the NFL has one controversy after another off the field. Deflate-gate, Kaepernick, Zeke Elliott... non-stop. And I haven’t even mentioned the word concussion yet.

I’d much rather watch a random NBA game than a random NFL game. With all the replay horseshit and poor level of play right now, it’s not even debatable.

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I agree with the op.

Also for me the kneeling,incessant jaw jacking, pushing and shoving on every play.
The dancing , pounding of chests, on every play no matter if it’s a three yard run. Regardless if one team is getting their ass handed to them.
Now the stupid azz choreograhed “celebrations” .

I’m 45 old school kind of guy. Can’t stand loudmouths,showboating. Or blatant disrespect for this country.

The NFL is getting thin for me.
Gave up the NBA a long time due to the same reasoning.
Baseball more so due to it being boring to watch.
NHL is still good to go unfortunately living in Florida I can’t catch many Pens games.


I'm numb to all that, it doesn't bother me at all, any of that, I feel nothing, I was like that as a kid, a white kid in Western PA I got in trouble several times, in the '70s for showboating and taunting and trash talking before the pros even did it, I never even noticed it when it became common- I remember I was 17 in 1976, walked into a gym for a CYO basketball tournament stood at mid court and announced real loud, "GIVE US THE TROPHY NOW WE ALREADY WON" before the first game, LOL, man my coach was mad, but we did win, this is a white kid doing this in 1976. LMFAO. Even the anthem BS, I honestly don't care, my thought has always been why do they even do the anthem and military nonsense at sports event anyways, it has nothing to do with sports? So I just DVR the games and fast forward past that crap, so obviously the anthem protests didn't mean shit to me ether way. I'm 58 and how these young athletes act never bothered me, because I've always been just like them.


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Baltostiller wrote:
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I prefer them "getting it right" when it comes to things like 2 feet in on a catch and fumble rulings, when it is very obvious what is the correct call.


Yeah, but you see once you give them the keys to the kingdom, they refuse to limit themselves to that, they want to micromanage it all.


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