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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:11 pm 
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Also, in the endzone, the split second the ball crosses the goal line in your possession, Touchdown.
If you catch the ball with both feet in, touchdown play dead. Simple as that, the same as if you are a runner.


Works for me.

The most popular sport in the country puts a major damper on the moment for many passing TD's. Fans start going crazy for what they think is a TD but then quickly most of the cheering dies down for the review... and even if the call stands the moment never regains it's intensity. It's the NFL cold shower.


REPLAY RUINED THE SPORT...

Sorry, getting it SO RIGHT, doesn't make it better. If you even get it right at all.

But I'm in the minority, I know, most people would opposed getting rid of or even severely limiting replay. I kind of think it doesn't matter, because it seems like they get wrong often enough after further review, it would all even out.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:20 pm 
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Nick79 wrote:
Think about these plays, like James catch or Benjamin's catch yesterday, if they didn't go to review, there probably wouldn't even be a challenge! Everyone on both teams where pretty resigned to the idea that those where TDs, only because review was forced on the situation where they even reviewed.

Anyways, it's just me, but I'd rather just live with the human error to make it more ENTERTAINING, I realize most of you are more obsessed with GETTING IT RIGHT, no matter what that does to the experience of watching the game.


The NFL is nothing but inconsistent in it's rulings. What every happened to INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE to overturn the call on the field. If you can show me that in the Benjamin catch from the Bills/Pats game.

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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:31 pm 
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I propose we remove catching from the game, kickoffs, punt returns and hitting. All of these have become confounding dilemmas or problems for the league resulting in overly complicated rules, inconsistent rules and/or being neutered to the point of non-excitement. We can also remove using hands because hands only lead to problems. Then we will change the goal posts a bit and put nets on them.

We can still call it football though.

There, its a Christmas miracle. I have solved the most dire of football issues. Behold the new football.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:46 pm 
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Nick79 wrote:
Havoc wrote:
Baltostiller wrote:
Also, in the endzone, the split second the ball crosses the goal line in your possession, Touchdown.
If you catch the ball with both feet in, touchdown play dead. Simple as that, the same as if you are a runner.


Works for me.

The most popular sport in the country puts a major damper on the moment for many passing TD's. Fans start going crazy for what they think is a TD but then quickly most of the cheering dies down for the review... and even if the call stands the moment never regains it's intensity. It's the NFL cold shower.


REPLAY RUINED THE SPORT...

Sorry, getting it SO RIGHT, doesn't make it better. If you even get it right at all.

But I'm in the minority, I know, most people would opposed getting rid of or even severely limiting replay. I kind of think it doesn't matter, because it seems like they get wrong often enough after further review, it would all even out.


I’ve grown to hate it myself. I’d rather they do away with it than keep it as it is now, for many of the reasons you’ve laid out. The delays are annoying, frustrating, infuriating, some combination of those, and in the end they overturn correct calls and refuse to overturn incorrect ones just as often as they get it right.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:07 pm 
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One other thing is the emotional factor of watching the game! The elation you feel after your team makes a great play, then 2 minutes later they tell you what you saw didn't happen. now every time something good happens, you don't feel happy, you just look around looking to see if there was something wrong with what you just witnessed, you're not allowed to be excited. Then when they allow it to stand, you just feel relieved that they didn't take it from you.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Easiest solution is to have Robert Kraft sell his team, as it seems most of the controversy revolves around his team celebrating the benefit of these replay "reviews".

I mean what, like 4 or 5 times this season his team has benefited and often times at a crucial moment in a game? Not only that - but no sane person would look at each call and say they were called consistent in comparison to other teams.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:28 pm 
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Get rid the of automatic review of all scoring plays

It’s a fucking ruse to manipulate the game

If the call on field is in question, have the opposing team challenge it

Change the challenge rule to give each team one challenge reserved for a scoring play

Let the officials make the calls


If they don’t implement this, the game is doomed. This year has proved it completely.

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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:30 pm 
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30 second max on reviews.

Official gets one look at every angle once. And then additional angles for 30 seconds.

After that there a decision has to be made based on what they see.

And all reviews are done by the official and an in-house review official. Fuck New York.

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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:31 pm 
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Take it away from New York, or vastly limit what New York can review, like the NHL.

Because Alberto Riveron is the problem...replay overturns of the call on the field have increased 20% under his tenure so far.

I find it extremely ironic...yesterday's Benjamin play was full circle, in a sense.

Replay really got its impetus from the Mel Renfro play...which was almost the same type of catch...in the same corner of the end zone...with the same toe tapping of both feet in.

The Renfro play made everyone want replay...the Benjamin play may make everyone want to kill it.

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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Doesn t matter if it’s blandino now Riveron or next year the old ref from the 2006 colts game

Same result more corruptness

Get rid of the auto review and I agree with the time limit and ny “war room”

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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Nick79 wrote:
One other thing is the emotional factor of watching the game! The elation you feel after your team makes a great play, then 2 minutes later they tell you what you saw didn't happen. now every time something good happens, you don't feel happy, you just look around looking to see if there was something wrong with what you just witnessed, you're not allowed to be excited. Then when they allow it to stand, you just feel relieved that they didn't take it from you.

Well said, nick....that's EXACTLY what happens


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Tweaking review won't really help, I guess I could be OK with only ONE challenge per game and ZERO automatic reviews. REVIEW IS THE PROBLEM. They aren't getting it right, if you weighed the convoluted bullshit that goes on for 60 minutes vs. the one or two obvious blown calls they fix on like 10% of the reviews. It causes more problems than it fixes.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Jeemie wrote:
Take it away from New York, or vastly limit what New York can review, like the NHL.

Because Alberto Riveron is the problem...replay overturns of the call on the field have increased 20% under his tenure so far.

I find it extremely ironic...yesterday's Benjamin play was full circle, in a sense.

Replay really got its impetus from the Mel Renfro play...which was almost the same type of catch...in the same corner of the end zone...with the same toe tapping of both feet in.

The Renfro play made everyone want replay...the Benjamin play may make everyone want to kill it.


This article reinforces some of your points, Jeems...with some bullshit thrown in. The writer, Borges, is a long-time Patriots hater:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patr ... _their_way


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Nick79 wrote:
One other thing is the emotional factor of watching the game! The elation you feel after your team makes a great play, then 2 minutes later they tell you what you saw didn't happen. now every time something good happens, you don't feel happy, you just look around looking to see if there was something wrong with what you just witnessed, you're not allowed to be excited. Then when they allow it to stand, you just feel relieved that they didn't take it from you.

Excellent post sir. To the 'T' this is exactly what unfolds. How many of us comment in the game thread every week, "who was looking for the flag there?" Every week it's the same old shit. The over officiating of the overly complicated but inconsistently implemented (by agenda or otherwise) rules have ruined the experience all together. Very Sad days in football folks.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Pereira tweeted. “It is more and more obvious that there isn’t a standard for staying with the call on the field.”


Which is exactly what I said. INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE

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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Steelafan77 wrote:
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They should eliminate this bullshit of when possession occurs. As long as you get your feet down and ball never hits the ground, catch is good

Exactly. In bounds both feet down; No extra "football move" required....



especially since nobody actually knows what the fuck a football move is.

Hell, I still remember the bullshit debate concerning Troy in 2005 playoff vs. Indy, when he picked Manning, went to the ground, and as he was getting up the ball popped out.

Troy "survived the ground", and got his ass up but the ball came out then.

fucking stupid. They don't know their own damned rules.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Nick79 wrote:
One other thing is the emotional factor of watching the game! The elation you feel after your team makes a great play, then 2 minutes later they tell you what you saw didn't happen. now every time something good happens, you don't feel happy, you just look around looking to see if there was something wrong with what you just witnessed, you're not allowed to be excited. Then when they allow it to stand, you just feel relieved that they didn't take it from you.


EXACTLY! We score a TD, I don't even get excited, ESPECIALLY if it's on a passing play. I just wait for the fucking replay. The automatic review of all scoring plays is just horseshit


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Nick79 wrote:
Of course they won't do it, of course many replay obsessed fans won't agree, But this makes total sense, replay doesn't get it right, they can't even decide what right is, so...

Make "What is a Catch" a non-reviewable judgement call, like DPI or Holding, just don't go there, it would easily solve most of the anger and controversy. Sure there would be a few bad calls, a trapped ball or something here and there, but IMO there would be overall LESS controversy than there is now.



I think your idea and Bethlehem’s getting rid of the auto-review would fix the issue. Great ideas! Give the coaches each one more review only to be used on scoring plays and they keep it if correct. They can review a trap, they can review both feet in bounds, they can review did it hit the ground, they could review he never touched it before feet in bounds, but they can’t review did he have control; problem solved.

It would be like the two step rule in the NBA. When you see the behind the back, through the legs 3 steps, take off from the file line, 180 degree turn for a slam dunk; you don’t call traveling, you let it go and let everyone marvel at WTF just occurred! The ball was actually above the block on the backboard, his elbow was above the rim, he had to duck etc.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:04 am 
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If replay shows that the player never controlled the ball etc I’m fine with a catch being overturned. The part that needs to die is squinting at whether or not the player football moved sufficiently to establish possession in review. If it was a catch on the field and review shows control and two feet, done. I get that they don’t want to define a catch to happen instantly during play, as that would create a ton of catch-and-fumbles. But that utterly subjective establishment timeframe shouldn’t be reviewable.


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 Post subject: Re: The most logical solution to "What is a Catch"?
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Nick79 wrote:
One other thing is the emotional factor of watching the game! The elation you feel after your team makes a great play, then 2 minutes later they tell you what you saw didn't happen. now every time something good happens, you don't feel happy, you just look around looking to see if there was something wrong with what you just witnessed, you're not allowed to be excited. Then when they allow it to stand, you just feel relieved that they didn't take it from you.


You're definitely on to something here, please forward this thought to nfl headquarters. In a fantasy world you'd save the game and get a forty million a year job.


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