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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:31 pm 
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Lol


+1000

You don't trade a 21 year old with his apparent mental makeup seeming coaches dream with possible sky is the limit talent who already is showing himself to be a playmaker in big moments.

You build the franchise around guys like that.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:37 pm 
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Just looked at calendar....says December 26th

So this isn’t an April Fool’s thing....

Answer is NO.

Dude is the youngest player in league and already a baller.

FA or draft to fill ILB void.

Was anyone else sick when VW got dinged up last night?

That guy is a flat out football player. Was incredibly relieved to see him back in shortly thereafter.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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You can make a better argument for trading Bell... and I wouldn't do that , either.

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http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php

Perhaps he is on this list...

Of course praying for Shaz

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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I think you have to do it if it means we can re-sign James Harrison.


Awesome idea. I bet we can get Larry Foote for vet minimum to fill in at MLB :lol:


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I think you have to do it if it means we can re-sign James Harrison.


Awesome idea. I bet we can get Larry Foote for vet minimum to fill in at MLB :lol:

Only if Kendrell Bell isn’t available.

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Rian Wallace is available and is a Super Bowl champion. Just saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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JuJu has at least two things Bryant doesn't: hands and the ability to block. Last couple games I've been watching Bryant's pathetic attempts to block down field. Total failure. In NE game, JuJu could have scored with an effective play from Brant. Maybe why he cut across field away from the sideline, anticipating help from Bryant that didn't materialize, that is, MB lollygaged down field and did nothing when he got there.


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I haven't read the thread, but based on the title, you're out of your fucking mind. In my opinion, of course.

The steelers have two bonafide receivers, and you want to trade one away? MB is still a #3 and even that is up for debate.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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Scunge wrote:
Hmmm.

JuJu under contract for the next 3 seasons.

Bryant has one year left on his rookie contract and his history and suspensions are very similar to Josh Gordon.

Rogers has zero years left on his contract, he will be a restricted free agent next season. Amazing how he has been playing better of late, where the hell were his balls and skills as a punt returner before this Texan game? Money is a strong motivator to be sure.

So, you want to trade JuJu when Rogers might be gone next season and Bryant in 2019? That does not make any sense. In your scenario we could very well be without JuJu and Rogers next season and have to rely on Bryant to be Brown's complement? And for just one lame duck season at that?

Sorry, but I keep JuJu and Bryant for 2018, and let Rogers leave for free agency and draft another WR in round 3 or 4. An ILB can be easily found and as I said in another thread, hell, why couldn't TJ Watt be moved to ILB and be the next Brian Urlacher? The next big, 6'4" 255 monster ILB/MLB that has special instincts and coverage skills?
Scunge bringing it again. No way should they trade Juju. Bryant may be a consideration with the probability of Hunter returning. Rogers is JAG. Likely not on the roster come September 2018. Who is the ILB you're targeting?


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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We are flush with talent at WR. I would trade Ju Ju to a team that is flush with MLB talent, to replace Shazier in the off-season. RS will need to move on with his life’s work and maybe coaching said MLB. And if he has a miraculous recovery we get depth. But all signs point to him being wheel chair bound or at best walking and never playing football again.

Sure we could probably build with the draft and take our chances, but I would pull off a trade with a bona fide WR for a bonafide MLB. If we have Bryant and Rogers seemingly back, we would be in good stead.

If I recall correctly, I was very young, but I recall Gabe Rivera being blamed for a PS defensive slump for a few seasons; the argument being it was dufficult to recover from losing your #1 draft pick.

Even if this was a great idea, they wouldn’t have the balls to do it.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
You can make a better argument for trading Bell... and I wouldn't do that , either.

Or Bryant, but again they wouldn’t do it - too damn conservative and stubborn.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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We seem to have a WR factory. The rookies come in and the coaching and Ben turn them into superstars. Sell one and get the IMLB that seems to take 3 years to develop in the PS. There have not been many rookies that have come in an made a huge impact at that position. I am just saying I don’t want to develop an IMLB. We can live without JuJu and teams are foolish enough to make a trade for a WR. I don’t know who the prospect is, but that is for the GM to figure out. You can’t have AB and Bell at every skill position...the salary cap will not allow it, unless you get some type of Lebron James friends wink wink deal going on.

It makes sense.

You all are being short sighted. Sure up MB and Eli with coaching, plus we have a new punt returner too in Eli.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
We seem to have a WR factory. The rookies come in and the coaching and Ben turn them into superstars.


Yeah, Demarus Ayers, Sammie Coates, Markus Wheaton, Justin Brown, Toney Clemons, and Limas Sweed are all setting the league on fire.

The Steelers are better than average at picking WRs, but they're not perfect at it. JuJu is a budding star. There is no way they're trading him, and it would make absolutely no sense to do so.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
We seem to have a WR factory. The rookies come in and the coaching and Ben turn them into superstars. Sell one and get the IMLB that seems to take 3 years to develop in the PS. There have not been many rookies that have come in an made a huge impact at that position. I am just saying I don’t want to develop an IMLB. We can live without JuJu and teams are foolish enough to make a trade for a WR. I don’t know who the prospect is, but that is for the GM to figure out. You can’t have AB and Bell at every skill position...the salary cap will not allow it, unless you get some type of Lebron James friends wink wink deal going on.

It makes sense.

You all are being short sighted. Sure up MB and Eli with coaching, plus we have a new punt returner too in Eli.


JuJu is on a rookie contracts and playing for peanuts. So yeah, the salary cap will more than allow it.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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There is absolutely Zero Chance the Steelers will trade Juju.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
We are flush with talent at WR. I would trade Ju Ju to a team that is flush with MLB talent, to replace Shazier in the off-season. RS will need to move on with his life’s work and maybe coaching said MLB. And if he has a miraculous recovery we get depth. But all signs point to him being wheel chair bound or at best walking and never playing football again.

Sure we could probably build with the draft and take our chances, but I would pull off a trade with a bona fide WR for a bonafide MLB. If we have Bryant and Rogers seemingly back, we would be in good stead.

If I recall correctly, I was very young, but I recall Gabe Rivera being blamed for a PS defensive slump for a few seasons; the argument being it was dufficult to recover from losing your #1 draft pick.


I'll give you credit for having the gonads to post this. Not much else though.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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So assuming Ben returns, we will have AB, MB, Ju Ju, and Eli again. Too much pressure to make everyone happy. I suspect this pressure is what has made the offense sputter at times this year.

Get rid of someone (JuJu) from the WR Corp if you can get a IMLB with a pedigree.

I just don’t think you can get too much (trade wise) from Rogers and MB, so Ju Ju is th obvious candidate. I love him, and loved the Burfict hit, just think it is more important to plug the run defense gap quickly, rather than sit on too much talent in the WR Corp. you can have to much talent in the WR Corp to the detriment of the team.

Oh well no biggy if we don’t. I trust the front office.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
We are flush with talent at WR. I would trade Ju Ju to a team that is flush with MLB talent, to replace Shazier in the off-season. RS will need to move on with his life’s work and maybe coaching said MLB. And if he has a miraculous recovery we get depth. But all signs point to him being wheel chair bound or at best walking and never playing football again.

Sure we could probably build with the draft and take our chances, but I would pull off a trade with a bona fide WR for a bonafide MLB. If we have Bryant and Rogers seemingly back, we would be in good stead.

If I recall correctly, I was very young, but I recall Gabe Rivera being blamed for a PS defensive slump for a few seasons; the argument being it was dufficult to recover from losing your #1 draft pick.


I'll give you credit for having the gonads to post this. Not much else though.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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Most draftniks felt that Juju was a bargain where the Steelers drafted him. Seeing him play - making tough catches in traffic - I see why. As goofy and funny as he is, he is very talented. His awkward silliness reminds me of The Refrigerator mania of the mid 80's. Juju is a keeper.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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We've been trying for approximately three/four seasons to find a legitimate #2 receiver to help take pressure off of and free up Brown. Been trying to find a #2 WR to be there when Brown gets "dinged" by a dirty hit, a game or two before the playoffs. Been trying to find a receiver with some "across the middle, between the hashes, ball skills. Some blocking skills, Some dependency.

Now we find a NO LESS than F&*%KING GEM that fills all those roles. And now we're gonna drink laced eggnog while "burn'in" scientifically bred medicinal hash and trade him away?

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Uhh...no.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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Shazier was the 15th overall pick, so just drafting a replacement with his skills and talent is not really going to be realistic at the end of round 1. I also don't think this is a great class for ILBs, I don't see any special Shazier type of athletes.

That said, I do have my eye on one player that I was hoping the Steelers would draft even before Shazier got injured. Back when they were scouting Javon Hargrave at South Carolina State I wonder if they got some looks at then freshman ILB Darius Leonard?

Leonard is listed at 6'3" 235 and I have heard reports that he runs in the 4.6 40 area. Just like Javon though there will be people that question the level of competition but if you are to be drafted and play in the NFL you HAD BEST dominate the level of competition. So, did he?

Javon Hargrave won the 2014 and 2015 MEAC Defensive Player of the Year award and Darius Leonard won it in 2016 and 2017. For his 3 year career he had 42 tackles for loss and 13.5 sacks.

The past two seasons he had 238 tackles, 12 sacks, 4 INTs, one that he returned for a TD, he even blocked two kicks. When he is officially measured at the combine he may be smaller than that listed 6'3" 235, maybe he will be 6'2" and 230.

I was hoping that we could snag him at the end of round 2 but he may very well find himself pushed way up. You look at somebody like Hassan Reddick last year who found himself pushed all the way up to the 13th overall pick. Or look at Jarrad Davis who was pushed up to the 21st overall pick. The Steelers are not going to be able to easily draft Shazier's replacement with a late first round pick, the marquee players will be gone.

But, they might just be able to draft Leonard if he is there at the end of round 2, and he stays under the radar like Hargrave and teams are scared of the level of competition and he slides. It would be very cool to reunite those two South Carolina State team mates.

Other than that, I see no ILB free agents worthy of signing in the NFL. And most of the top names have already signed big contracts and are entrenched with their respective teams.

My idea of moving Watt to ILB I think is a great idea. Teams right now can avoid him in coverage, can minimize him, but if he were the centerpiece of your defense? If he were your ILB? Hell, your MLB? Then he becomes a force on every play. The kid is smart enough, has the instincts, the talent to do it. There might not be a better option, and it may just be the best option. Let Watt be the next Brian Urlacher and move the defense to a 4-3 and be done with it.

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A. No
B. Hell no
C. Absolutely not
D. Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind???

Hmmm, which response shall I pick?

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