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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:43 am 
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The media bullshit is a real shame....IMO, Ben is a combination of Elway and Montana that might never be seen again. Rodgers comes close, and is arguably(?!?) more talented, but he's just not a winner and gamer like Ben. In watching the NFL for over 30 years, NO ONE I've seen throws the ball like Ben and Rodgers.

STFU about Brady....he plays in a cheater system with Rain Man calling plays. On any other team Brady is MAYBE Steve Young without the wheels.


Provided he fully recovers from his ACL injury, Carson Wentz has all the tools to become the next Ben/Rodgers QB. Also incredibly smart, having been one of the few college QBs that ran a pro-style offense and didn't have his coach doing all his thinking for him.




Ya Wentz has always reminded me of Ben as well, Darnold at USC is also a lot like Ben.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Thre off his chains and started calling plays/taking charge/said fuck this


I mean, yeah, this. :lol:

He definitely is playing a lot more inspired too. The first half of the year his body language screamed "Maybe I should have retired." It's clear to me he didn't buy into Haley's playcalling and the philosophy of the offense. What they've got now is great though. Ben has taken the reins, gets his fair share of calling his own plays, and it's definitely an explosive passing offense that works in the run, as opposed to what they were doing earlier in the year, and Haley is able to build off that, take one concept/look one week and then the next build something different off that same look the next week. I've seen designs the past couple of weeks I haven't seen all year. They may hate each other but they're doing great things together now.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:37 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
At the start of the regular season, look at his targets:

AB double and triple teamed, literally.
Bryant hadn't played in a year and seemed to have forgotten how to play the position.
Bell hadn't practiced in months and looked a bit off doing everything he normally does really well.
JuJu was a rookie who'd never played in an NFL game.
Hunter had the dropsies.
Eli Rogers was running bad routes, not getting his hands ready to catch the ball, and generally being invisible.

Add to that a byzantine, asinine U shaped play card and grab bag garbage like 5 screens on the first 6 plays in Chicago... are we wondering why Ben got off to a mediocre start?

I agree with all of this, but Ben is also known for not doing shit in the off-season. He looked slow and out of shape to me, in addition to everything you said.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:53 pm 
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This board’s inferiority complex with Brady and the Pats is kinda sad. Reminds me of how Bengals fans talk and act about our team.


I've made that comparison as well.

It's a little brother complex.

It'll continue until the Steelers win one over them that matters.....same thing with the Bengals. Or until fans start to take their beatings like men lol.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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There's no inferiority complex. They cheat, have been caught multiple times (that we know of ) doing it. And multiple QB's have played very well in that system.

Montana and Young were great QB's, but they were perhaps made much greater playing in a system that was, at the time, years ahead of the defenses. But they didn't play for cheaters.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:16 pm 
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It's a steeler message board and, even before the Harrison drama, the Pats were discussed ad nauseum.

The HC talks about the Patriots with games against the Packers, Bengals and Ravens yet to come.

I'd disagree there is no complex or at minimum "in their heads".

Again....going back to the '05 run, we used to laugh at the Bengals for worrying about the steelers in weeks they weren't playing them. There's no difference now.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Miter Saw wrote:
The HC talks about the Patriots with games against the Packers, Bengals and Ravens yet to come.


Certainly a HC can walk and chew gum at the same time....thinking about the clear and main rival in the AFC in no way means there is a complex or "in your head", it just means your HC isn't an idiot.

That last game at Heinz field suggested nothing about the team having an inferiority complex or having NE in their heads - they outplayed NE, and got screwed out of a W.

So maybe let's just stop with all this BS. NE is a perennial top team and SB favorite. They're going to be talked about as they ARE relevant to PIT, this being a football discussion forum and all.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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That last game at Heinz field suggested nothing about the team having an inferiority complex or having NE in their heads - they were outplaying NE (until they foolishly took their foot off gas waaay too early) and screwed themselves out of a W.


Fixed it for you.

I realize the bad call did screw them but it should have never came to that if we didn’t play the second half like it was Cleveland and a rookie QB on the opposing sideline.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Kodiak wrote:
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The HC talks about the Patriots with games against the Packers, Bengals and Ravens yet to come.


Certainly a HC can walk and chew gum at the same time....thinking about the clear and main rival in the AFC in no way means there is a complex or "in your head", it just means your HC isn't an idiot.

That last game at Heinz field suggested nothing about the team having an inferiority complex or having NE in their heads - they outplayed NE, and got screwed out of a W.

So maybe let's just stop with all this BS. NE is a perennial top team and SB favorite. They're going to be talked about as they ARE relevant to PIT, this being a football discussion forum and all.


I said nothing about the Pats being in their heads being the cause of the loss. Just said that the pats are in their heads as evidenced by it constantly coming up, even a month or so before they are to play.

I'd love to stop with the BS, but it keeps coming up....because they're in everyone's heads (complex).


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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what worries about me everyone is talking about beating NE we need to worry first about our first round game


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Miter Saw wrote:
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The HC talks about the Patriots with games against the Packers, Bengals and Ravens yet to come.


Certainly a HC can walk and chew gum at the same time....thinking about the clear and main rival in the AFC in no way means there is a complex or "in your head", it just means your HC isn't an idiot.

That last game at Heinz field suggested nothing about the team having an inferiority complex or having NE in their heads - they outplayed NE, and got screwed out of a W.

So maybe let's just stop with all this BS. NE is a perennial top team and SB favorite. They're going to be talked about as they ARE relevant to PIT, this being a football discussion forum and all.


I said nothing about the Pats being in their heads being the cause of the loss. Just said that the pats are in their heads as evidenced by it constantly coming up, even a month or so before they are to play.

I'd love to stop with the BS, but it keeps coming up....because they're in everyone's heads (complex).


The Steelers don’t have a Patriots complex. Steelers fans have a Patriots complex.

The Steelers know they can beat the Pats and Tomlin answering Dungys questions honestly doesn’t imply complex, at all. It’s a fact. Steelers/Patriots are/will be the biggest AFC games of the year.


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