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 Post subject: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-10 QB
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3) FACT: Ben Roethlisberger is no longer a top-10 quarterback.
Ben's a Hall of Famer. But right now, he looks done and sounds defeated (SEE: "Maybe I don't have it anymore"). While we've seen drama from Ben before -- only to see him bounce back -- the only way to describe his performance thus far in 2017 is simply awful.


Yes, Mike Tomlin deserves blame for another gruesome defeat -- check out my Schein Nine from a couple weeks back to see the laundry list of Steeler choke games under Tomlin -- and I wish Todd Haley ran the ball earlier in the game. But Roethlisberger is completely out of sorts right now. Maybe all that retirement talk in the offseason was more than just talk.

I still hold out hope for Roethlisberger to play at a winning level. But he's not a top-10 QB right now -- and given what we've seen, it's not easy to envision him back in that tier. He's not getting any younger -- Ben's an old 35, given all the damage his body has taken through the years. And his play and commentary over the past five weeks have been alarming. Very alarming.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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He got off to a bit of a rocky start, though he was far from terrible (I'd agree he wasn't top-10 at that time, but he was in that next tier).

And despite his early misses, many receiver early misses, and some unlucky interceptions....he's pretty much bang-on on his career average numbers.

It COULD have been a big season given all the plays that were there but missed early in the year (both Ben and his receivers), especially if they banished Haley sooner.

All that said, these last 10 games since the JAX debacle have been as good as any 10-game stretch I've seen in Ben's entire career - first ballot HOFer Ben nearly every play, nearly every week in that span.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Kodiak wrote:
He got off to a bit of a rocky start, though he was far from terrible (I'd agree he wasn't top-10 at that time, but he was in that next tier).

And despite his early misses, many receiver early misses, and some unlucky interceptions....he's pretty much bang-on on his career average numbers.

It COULD have been a big season given all the plays that were there but missed early in the year (both Ben and his receivers), especially if they banished Haley sooner.

All that said, these last 10 games since the JAX debacle have been as good as any 10-game stretch I've seen in Ben's entire career - first ballot HOFer Ben nearly every play, nearly every week in that span.


First two games Ben threw for 243 and 263 yards. His career avg was 253 at the time. Even early season, on average, he was as good as ever. Since then, a pleasure to watch. The final interception against NE? Despite all the analysis, nobody's pointed out he's completed dozens of tight throws exactly like that to Hines, Heath, and AB.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Kodiak wrote:
All that said, these last 10 games since the JAX debacle have been as good as any 10-game stretch I've seen in Ben's entire career - first ballot HOFer Ben nearly every play, nearly every week in that span.


Starting at the Titans game and up through now, I think he's probably playing the best football of his career.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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We'll see these same types of bullshit articles claiming Ben isn't good enough blah, blah, blah! We'll see what kind of crap they share after the Steelers win this next Super Bowl. Means Nothing! Fuck 'em all!


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Does the OP know this article is from Oct 9th the day after getting annihilated by Jax and Ben throwing 14 interceptions?

Adam Schein is as big of a weinie as they come, but still.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Ben got hot just at the correct time


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Not going to lie, I was worried early in the season about Ben. He looked off.

That said, if I was a professional "sports journalist", never in a fucking million years would i write that drivel & title it FACT...even if I was low on content.

Stealing paychecks.

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R S wrote:
Does the OP know this article is from Oct 9th the day after getting annihilated by Jax and Ben throwing 14 interceptions?

Adam Schein is as big of a weinie as they come, but still.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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R S wrote:
Does the OP know this article is from Oct 9th the day after getting annihilated by Jax and Ben throwing 14 interceptions?

Adam Schein is as big of a weinie as they come, but still.


Title says October article.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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steelmann58 wrote:
Ben got hot just at the correct time


You mean the entire second half of the year?


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TB wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
All that said, these last 10 games since the JAX debacle have been as good as any 10-game stretch I've seen in Ben's entire career - first ballot HOFer Ben nearly every play, nearly every week in that span.


Starting at the Titans game and up through now, I think he's probably playing the best football of his career.


Hell, he had that stretch of 3 straight games where he was mediocre against CHI and BAL, and bad (more unlucky) against JAX....the rest of the season he's played at an MVP level pretty much every game (except DET).

2:1 TD/INT ratio would be historically quite good, but fairly average in today's NFL. JJ's catch is ruled a TD against NE and I think Ben would deserve the MVP. And forget the passes he missed the first half of the year, think what his numbers would be if the receivers got half of what they missed those games.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Really no reason to listen to anything Schein says. He is a typical reactionary sensationalist sports show loser, with a giant grouper fish mouth.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Still gotta wonder why such an incredible player got off to such a shitty start.

He flat-out didn't look very engaged. Not sure if he was fighting with Haley, his wife or what, but Ben looked very, very out of it early in the season.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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Fake news....


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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KC wrote:
Still gotta wonder why such an incredible player got off to such a shitty start.

He flat-out didn't look very engaged. Not sure if he was fighting with Haley, his wife or what, but Ben looked very, very out of it early in the season.


He was put in a shitty system, in my view

We opened up the offense and Ben and the offense came alive. Not a surprise to me.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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At the start of the regular season, look at his targets:

AB double and triple teamed, literally.
Bryant hadn't played in a year and seemed to have forgotten how to play the position.
Bell hadn't practiced in months and looked a bit off doing everything he normally does really well.
JuJu was a rookie who'd never played in an NFL game.
Hunter had the dropsies.
Eli Rogers was running bad routes, not getting his hands ready to catch the ball, and generally being invisible.

Add to that a byzantine, asinine U shaped play card and grab bag garbage like 5 screens on the first 6 plays in Chicago... are we wondering why Ben got off to a mediocre start?

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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At the start of the regular season, look at his targets:

AB double and triple teamed, literally.
Bryant hadn't played in a year and seemed to have forgotten how to play the position.
Bell hadn't practiced in months and looked a bit off doing everything he normally does really well.
JuJu was a rookie who'd never played in an NFL game.
Hunter had the dropsies.
Eli Rogers was running bad routes, not getting his hands ready to catch the ball, and generally being invisible.

Add to that a byzantine, asinine U shaped play card and grab bag garbage like 5 screens on the first 6 plays in Chicago... are we wondering why Ben got off to a mediocre start?


^^ Spot on


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Hinestuff wrote:
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Ben got hot just at the correct time


You mean the entire second half of the year?

Second half of the colts game exactly


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The media bullshit is a real shame....IMO, Ben is a combination of Elway and Montana that might never be seen again. Rodgers comes close, and is arguably(?!?) more talented, but he's just not a winner and gamer like Ben. In watching the NFL for over 30 years, NO ONE I've seen throws the ball like Ben and Rodgers.

STFU about Brady....he plays in a cheater system with Rain Man calling plays. On any other team Brady is MAYBE Steve Young without the wheels.

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Kodiak wrote:
The media bullshit is a real shame....IMO, Ben is a combination of Elway and Montana that might never be seen again. Rodgers comes close, and is arguably(?!?) more talented, but he's just not a winner and gamer like Ben. In watching the NFL for over 30 years, NO ONE I've seen throws the ball like Ben and Rodgers.

STFU about Brady....he plays in a cheater system with Rain Man calling plays. On any other team Brady is MAYBE Steve Young without the wheels.


One thing not talked about is how other non-Brady QBs have had success under center for the Pats. Compare that with Ben’s back ups who might have won some
Games but clearly were game managers.


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Kodiak wrote:
The media bullshit is a real shame....IMO, Ben is a combination of Elway and Montana that might never be seen again. Rodgers comes close, and is arguably(?!?) more talented, but he's just not a winner and gamer like Ben. In watching the NFL for over 30 years, NO ONE I've seen throws the ball like Ben and Rodgers.

STFU about Brady....he plays in a cheater system with Rain Man calling plays. On any other team Brady is MAYBE Steve Young without the wheels.


Provided he fully recovers from his ACL injury, Carson Wentz has all the tools to become the next Ben/Rodgers QB. Also incredibly smart, having been one of the few college QBs that ran a pro-style offense and didn't have his coach doing all his thinking for him.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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This board’s inferiority complex with Brady and the Pats is kinda sad. Reminds me of how Bengals fans talk and act about our team.

If Ben Roethlisberger had five Lombardi’s and was coming off a SB performance where he led the Steelers back from a 28-3 deficit, with multiple huge 3rd and 4th down conversions, multipe two point conversions just to send the game into OT and then won it in the greatest comeback in SB history, can you imagine anyone with a fucking brain on here saying “Eh, he’s just a product of the system” or try to argue another QB is more of a winner or a “gamer” than he is? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jesus guys... some of you sound like whiny 10 year olds who got shoved into your locker too many times.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL.com October article:Ben Roethlisberger's not a top-1
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steelmann58 wrote:
Hinestuff wrote:
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Ben got hot just at the correct time


You mean the entire second half of the year?

Second half of the colts game exactly

Thre off his chains and started calling plays/taking charge/said fuck this

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