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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:43 am 
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Bench the bud smoker and get Chickillo on the field.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Steelergenie wrote:
Doesn’t excuse the shit play from Mitchell and the secondary. They are getting beat on the same big plays week after week. We are not going to make a SB run with that kind of play.


I just wonder...has Mitchell led with his head one too many times?

I mean...I can’t get the image of the Patriots going 2x2, and Mitchell cheating to the side AWAY FROM GRONK out of my head. Why in a million years would he do that?

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Other than Tomlin and Haley on the sideline, the secondary is what scares me the most about going into Foxboro provided they get by the divisional round which is no gimme, especially for this team.

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Jeemie wrote:
Steelergenie wrote:
Doesn’t excuse the shit play from Mitchell and the secondary. They are getting beat on the same big plays week after week. We are not going to make a SB run with that kind of play.


I just wonder...has Mitchell led with his head one too many times?

I mean...I can’t get the image of the Patriots going 2x2, and Mitchell cheating to the side AWAY FROM GRONK out of my head. Why in a million years would he do that?
Take a look at the replay of the long pass to the one yard line (overturned TD). Mitchell was cheating the other side of the field, and the stains sent ONE receiver. He hesitated and that's all it took for the guy to get open. Haden was pointing to him like : Watch out for that guy, I'll take the guys underneath. They couldn't cover one guy. But I think that's been detailed here already.

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:50 am 
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franco32 wrote:
Bud Dupree is close to being an embarrassment right now. He really has no place to talk right now.

Yesterday he had 0 tackles, 0 sacks, and no impact plays that I can remember at all. He's a disappearing act all too often. Even in games where he will get the occasional hustle or coverage sack, he'll disappear for the rest of the game.

I believe he has 9 tackles in his last 4 games. We can point to the poor safety play and there is a lot of truth to that. But, the #15 pick in his draft class is playing like crap.

He is facing the RT of the opposing team almost every snap and can do nothing with it. Watt is facing the LT of the other team and busting his ass and often drawing double teams and chips from TE and RB (like yesterday).

I'm in the camp that Deebo was washed up. But Bud is playing so poorly right now, that you have to wonder if Chickillo wouldn't be a better option...at least against pass heavy teams.



I just think it takes Bud too long to process information. All of the athletic ability in the world doesn't matter if your a second late with your read. He should have figured it out by now.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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bud [Jarvis] Dupree...dude was better as a rookie.. hes more useless then when Woodley was a slow fat ass..titty jousting he has mastered.
I don't know solutions but steelers defense better get their shit together if we want a bowl win..these long pass plays to wide ass open recievers sashaying around has gotten comical. how many 3rd and double digit first downs they given up this year? long pass plays where closest defender is 15 yards away and chasing? bad. why the hell is Mitchell still parading around out there is beyond me..id rather get torched with a new guy then his sorry ass.


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I believe you've hit on something there, the-other-burgh. Dupree doesn't process information fast enough. His eyes see it but his thoughts to respond are slow to unfold. Like seeing Dupree watching plays unfold standing there doing nothing about it til the play is out of his reach or over. It's been maddening watching Dupree do this. It's a mental thing. Not sure if that can be coached up. In his third year I would think coaching would have resolved this issue. Apparently not. Chickillo is not the better candidate IMO. Chickillo runs out of steam quickly and disappears as well. Moats is a bum stealing a roster spot and pay check. The guy I'm interested in seeing what he's got is the IR'd OLB Keion Adams. He was having some success in camp before getting hurt. Enough to get noticed. Farrington Huguenin, can't break into the 53 and is regarded as practice squad only at this point. I guess what I'm saying is I really hate to spend another premium draft pick on an OLB. Hoping either Huguenin and/or the Adams kid can both break out and warrant promotions. Gonna be next season unless there's an injury. Love to see Moats, Chickillo and Dupree fighting for 1 spot. 3 dogs one bone. Sorry for going off topic.
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Mitchell is the biggest liability IMO. He is often out of position. He can't make a legitimate tackle without trying to concuss himself and the opponent which causes missed tackles. Mitchell takes horrendous angles often due to being out of position. The worst safety in the league yet gets all sort of praise from teammates and coaching staff. Can't wait to see them replace his lame ass with a competent safety.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:41 pm 
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Maybe chick wouldn't run out of steam if he wasn't playing EVERY FUCKING TEAMS SNAP IN EVERY FUCKING GAME. May as well have the motherfucker play TE on offense while he's at it. If it were up to me, i'd have bud playing teams and save chick for defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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It's no different than Matakevich playing every teams snap. Or Nix... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... counts.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Mitchell is the biggest liability IMO. He is often out of position. He can't make a legitimate tackle without trying to concuss himself and the opponent which causes missed tackles. Mitchell takes horrendous angles often due to being out of position. The worst safety in the league yet gets all sort of praise from teammates and coaching staff. Can't wait to see them replace his lame ass with a competent safety.


This x1000

He seems out of position on most plays and is far too slow to catch up to any plays. Would love to dump him for a better free agent.


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we can always put in Golden or Wilcox


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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steelmann58 wrote:
we can always put in Golden or Wilcox


Honestly, for the cap hit on Wilcox, he's been one hell of a disappointment this season. Golden is who he is, but at least he's not costing 4 million a year.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Sorry but i have not seen Bud stepping up into the leadership role . I not sure he be around here past his first contract.

Not the Steelers way..... I bet he gets a lucrative 2nd deal


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Steelwood wrote:
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Mitchell is the biggest liability IMO. He is often out of position. He can't make a legitimate tackle without trying to concuss himself and the opponent which causes missed tackles. Mitchell takes horrendous angles often due to being out of position. The worst safety in the league yet gets all sort of praise from teammates and coaching staff. Can't wait to see them replace his lame ass with a competent safety.


This x1000

He seems out of position on most plays and is far too slow to catch up to any plays. Would love to dump him for a better free agent.


Someone mentioned going after Eric Reid in FA. That would go a long way to fixing a lot of our secondary problems. I wanted him over Jones in the draft and thought they were going to draft him. Hell I was screaming for Ogletree over Jones and all anyone had to do was watch film and see that Jones was a busta even then.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Suwanee88 wrote:
steelmann58 wrote:
Sorry but i have not seen Bud stepping up into the leadership role . I not sure he be around here past his first contract.

Not the Steelers way..... I bet he gets a lucrative 2nd deal


I don't see that happening unless there is a huge improvement next year. I can't see them picking up the 5th year option. They'll probably allow him to play out the string ala Jones to see what happens. Watt's rookie year has already exceeded Bud's best career season.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Stillcajun wrote:
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steelmann58 wrote:
Sorry but i have not seen Bud stepping up into the leadership role . I not sure he be around here past his first contract.

Not the Steelers way..... I bet he gets a lucrative 2nd deal


I don't see that happening unless there is a huge improvement next year. I can't see them picking up the 5th year option. They'll probably allow him to play out the string ala Jones to see what happens. Watt's rookie year has already exceeded Bud's best career season.

We will see. My guess is they like Dupree and will extend him.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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I would extend Bud. He fits what they do and he’s been pretty good at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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If not for his slow motion read react Dupree is the fit at LOLB. He can drop into coverage, he can pass rush but what infuriates me is his run stopping (lack of). Dude has problems setting the edge and making the tackle. Gets stuck on blocks too long washes out of the play far too easily and stands motionless as plays unfold going by him. Not sure what that is even about but it enrages me.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Steelafan77 wrote:
If not for his slow motion read react Dupree is the fit at LOLB. He can drop into coverage, he can pass rush but what infuriates me is his run stopping (lack of). Dude has problems setting the edge and making the tackle. Gets stuck on blocks too long washes out of the play far too easily and stands motionless as plays unfold going by him. Not sure what that is even about but it enrages me.

Does he not lead the Steelers in TFL?

EDIT: his 12 is second to Heyward's 16

He has the same number of TFL as Danielle Hunter, for instance, and only 1 fewer sack than Hunter

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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Passes Defended.

Not a sole indicator of a defensive backs abilities.
A guy that gets targeted alot will / may have more than others, good or bad.
But.

Sean Davis - 11 & 3 INT
Mike Hilton - 8 & 2 INT
Joe Haden - 8 & 1 INT
Artie Burns - 14 & 1 INT
Ryan Shazier - 14 & 3 INT
Vince Williams- 2 & 1 INT
TJ Watt - 9 & 1 INT
Sensabaugh - 4 & 1 INT
Willie Gay - 4 & 1 INT
Robert Golden- 3 & 1 INT
JJ Wilcox - 2 & 1 INT
Bud Dupree - 0 & 0 INT
Mike Mitchell - 0 & 0


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2017&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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There really is no defending Dupree at this point. It's not even the sacks. It's the fact he isn't coming close. He's not a disruptive force in any way shape or form. He can get the occasional hustle sack or a sack on an inside stunt when the OL messes up the pick up. But, he's not beating the guy across from him.

His play recognition as others have said is painfully slow. Go back and watch the Baltimore film if you need more proof. In that game, he is always a second too late in reading the run and diagnosing the play. But, beyond that he lacks burst off the snap, has terrible bend around the edge, and he might as well have T-Rex arms because he doesn't use them at all.

I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope he explodes in the playoffs. But, there is no evidence at all of that happening anytime soon.


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franco32 wrote:
There really is no defending Dupree at this point. It's not even the sacks. It's the fact he isn't coming close. He's not a disruptive force in any way shape or form. He can get the occasional hustle sack or a sack on an inside stunt when the OL messes up the pick up. But, he's not beating the guy across from him.

His play recognition as others have said is painfully slow. Go back and watch the Baltimore film if you need more proof. In that game, he is always a second too late in reading the run and diagnosing the play. But, beyond that he lacks burst off the snap, has terrible bend around the edge, and he might as well have T-Rex arms because he doesn't use them at all.

I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope he explodes in the playoffs. But, there is no evidence at all of that happening anytime soon.

He has damn near the same stats as Danielle Hunter... isn't Hunter considered a hot young edge player? How is he accumulating the TFL & sacks, especially while spending a lot of time in coverage? Sheer luck?

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Pass D.
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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There really is no defending Dupree at this point. It's not even the sacks. It's the fact he isn't coming close. He's not a disruptive force in any way shape or form. He can get the occasional hustle sack or a sack on an inside stunt when the OL messes up the pick up. But, he's not beating the guy across from him.

His play recognition as others have said is painfully slow. Go back and watch the Baltimore film if you need more proof. In that game, he is always a second too late in reading the run and diagnosing the play. But, beyond that he lacks burst off the snap, has terrible bend around the edge, and he might as well have T-Rex arms because he doesn't use them at all.

I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope he explodes in the playoffs. But, there is no evidence at all of that happening anytime soon.

He has damn near the same stats as Danielle Hunter... isn't Hunter considered a hot young edge player? How is he accumulating the TFL & sacks, especially while spending a lot of time in coverage? Sheer luck?
I may be basing an opinion on a limited sample set, but the highlights I've seen opponents have him double teamed, chip shotted, and ran the other way. I don't think he's as bad as people think, but he could use some hand work and some moves other than a bull rush.

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While Bud doesn't have the sack numbers others do, his pass rush arc usually causes the QB to step up in the pocket a few steps. Which in turn, puts him that much closer to the DL players that are getting those sacks. It's all part of the hoedown....sometimes you do-si-do, sometimes you promenade. :)


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