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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:26 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:
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Haley's contract expires at the end of this season and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Ben returning is tied to Haley returning... in the inverse.


I've heard similar speculation.

Still, let's not run Haley out of town on a rail.

We could have had far worse.

Four out of the top six scoring seasons all in the last four years.

I hope we do not have a bad case of the grass being greener...

Either Haley or Fichnter.

Maybe Haley stays and Fichtner is given play-calling duties.


I like Haley the play designer, I hate Haley the play caller. I wonder how much of this is on Tomlin and how much is on Haley. Tomlin hears every play call and can overrule Haley at any time. Direction comes form the top.


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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:27 pm 
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Also, in regards to Haley "designing an offensive plan not to get Ben killed," which I think is one of the more easily debunked myths of his tenure, wouldn't drastically improving the offensive line and strengthening the running game have at least 2/3 of the effect on that score?


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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:28 pm 
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I happen to think the shine is a little bit off of the "Haley the play designer" penny, as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
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Baltostiller wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Haley's contract expires at the end of this season and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Ben returning is tied to Haley returning... in the inverse.


I've heard similar speculation.

Still, let's not run Haley out of town on a rail.

We could have had far worse.

Four out of the top six scoring seasons all in the last four years.

I hope we do not have a bad case of the grass being greener...

Either Haley or Fichnter.

Maybe Haley stays and Fichtner is given play-calling duties.


I like Haley the play designer, I hate Haley the play caller. I wonder how much of this is on Tomlin and how much is on Haley. Tomlin hears every play call and can overrule Haley at any time. Direction comes form the top.


See, this is my sense. Tomlin has kept Haley for 6 years. He must like the dude. I do not buy for a second that Tomlin could not seek Haley's ouster if he really wanted it. Methinks turtle-moding is Tomlin approved. By god, I hope those two have learned their lesson.

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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:31 pm 
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Ice wrote:
Also, in regards to Haley "designing an offensive plan not to get Ben killed," which I think is one of the more easily debunked myths of his tenure, wouldn't drastically improving the offensive line and strengthening the running game have at least 2/3 of the effect on that score?


I think as the o line has improved, the quick release play calling has lessened.

Haley no longer needs to keep Ben upright because of the o line's stellar play.

Am I supposed to give Munchak more credit than Haley for producing four of the six top scoring offenses in the team's history?

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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
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Baltostiller wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Haley's contract expires at the end of this season and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Ben returning is tied to Haley returning... in the inverse.


I've heard similar speculation.

Still, let's not run Haley out of town on a rail.

We could have had far worse.

Four out of the top six scoring seasons all in the last four years.

I hope we do not have a bad case of the grass being greener...

Either Haley or Fichnter.

Maybe Haley stays and Fichtner is given play-calling duties.


I like Haley the play designer, I hate Haley the play caller. I wonder how much of this is on Tomlin and how much is on Haley. Tomlin hears every play call and can overrule Haley at any time. Direction comes form the top.


Is it possible that HC/QB/OC not being on the same page is why it takes us the full playclock to get the ball snapped every single non no-huddle play we run?


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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:32 pm 
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Is it possible that HC/QB/OC not being on the same page is why it takes us the full playclock to get the ball snapped every single non no-huddle play we run?


Now I will not be shocked if I am wrong about this, but it seems to me that that BS goes to back to Arians. I think Ben just likes the long survey.

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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:35 pm 
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If Munch is coaching the O-line, coordinating the run game, Fitch is designing the two point plays, and Ben is controlling the game in the no-huddle, as well as the fact that his "play design" is basically dictated on PLAYERS WINNING MATCHUPS than scheming them open, then yes, Haley deserves less than half the credit for the scoring offense. Probably less than that.


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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
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Still Lit wrote:
Ice wrote:
Also, in regards to Haley "designing an offensive plan not to get Ben killed," which I think is one of the more easily debunked myths of his tenure, wouldn't drastically improving the offensive line and strengthening the running game have at least 2/3 of the effect on that score?


I think as the o line has improved, the quick release play calling has lessened.

Haley no longer needs to keep Ben upright because of the o line's stellar play.

Am I supposed to give Munchak more credit than Haley for producing four of the six top scoring offenses in the team's history?
Yes. Munchak was hired in jan, 2014. Those scoring seasons were '14.'15, '16, and '17. Haley was hired in 2012. Leveon bell was drafted in 2013. BR and Brown account for much of those points.


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 Post subject: Re: Munchak or Haley the greater loss
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Still Lit wrote:
Ice wrote:
Also, in regards to Haley "designing an offensive plan not to get Ben killed," which I think is one of the more easily debunked myths of his tenure, wouldn't drastically improving the offensive line and strengthening the running game have at least 2/3 of the effect on that score?


I think as the o line has improved, the quick release play calling has lessened.

Haley no longer needs to keep Ben upright because of the o line's stellar play.

Am I supposed to give Munchak more credit than Haley for producing four of the six top scoring offenses in the team's history?


...and when we go into New England and get our asses kicked again, because Haley called a draw to Fitz and put the offense in give up mode against the Pats, WE WILL HAVE SHIT TO SHOW FOR THOSE HIGH SCORING SEASONS.

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