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Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:45 pm ]
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I love how he acts like SPARQ is some kind of magic formula until he gets to the second round 5 pick, and then it's like, fuck SPARQ!

I feel like SPARQ for certain positions is great, for others I don't care that much-- but, if anything, I think it is perfect for late-round picks, because it assures that you have something to build on, and you're going to have to build them from scratch.

Author:  Steelafan77 [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:11 am ]
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I noticed that too B2B. I agree with your logic applying SPARQ to the late RND guys. You know what you have 'usually' in the top RND's that's why they are taken in the top RND's. To be honest, I don't like Reid in the 1st RND. Big reach IMHO. Not a fan of Sweat. FC made a comment the other day during the combine saying this was a Steeler pick unfortunately. I feel the same way. Tested like tarzan plays like jane. I agree Dupree needs to get pushed. Either to playing a lot better or off the roster completely. If Lorenzo Carter was to be there at 60 I target him for edge. I disagree with Bryan, I believe they target a FA safety like they've always done and then target a 1st RND ILB. Perhaps look at safety in the later RND's. I do like Ballage and Smythe. Smythe is that blocking TE prospect that can catch. Ballage is that later RND sleeper type IMO.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:54 am ]
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Man, it's such a shame that Pierre-Louis has legal trouble, because he's IDEAL as a value buy FA.

Author:  Ice [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:00 pm ]
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Steelafan77 wrote:
I noticed that too B2B. I agree with your logic applying SPARQ to the late RND guys. You know what you have 'usually' in the top RND's that's why they are taken in the top RND's. To be honest, I don't like Reid in the 1st RND. Big reach IMHO. Not a fan of Sweat. FC made a comment the other day during the combine saying this was a Steeler pick unfortunately. I feel the same way. Tested like tarzan plays like jane. I agree Dupree needs to get pushed. Either to playing a lot better or off the roster completely. If Lorenzo Carter was to be there at 60 I target him for edge. I disagree with Bryan, I believe they target a FA safety like they've always done and then target a 1st RND ILB. Perhaps look at safety in the later RND's. I do like Ballage and Smythe. Smythe is that blocking TE prospect that can catch. Ballage is that later RND sleeper type IMO.


I'd take Carter in the 1st. As much attention as Edmunds is getting, Carter should be getting more. Edmunds is long. Carter is longer. Edmunds is athletic. Carter is moreso. Edmunds is position flexible and has tape to prove it. Carter has the same and more, from a better conference against elite competition. He also checks most of the Steeler draft tendency boxes for the 1st round. If he's there at 28, I might applaud a podium sprint.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:59 pm ]
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Ice wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
I noticed that too B2B. I agree with your logic applying SPARQ to the late RND guys. You know what you have 'usually' in the top RND's that's why they are taken in the top RND's. To be honest, I don't like Reid in the 1st RND. Big reach IMHO. Not a fan of Sweat. FC made a comment the other day during the combine saying this was a Steeler pick unfortunately. I feel the same way. Tested like tarzan plays like jane. I agree Dupree needs to get pushed. Either to playing a lot better or off the roster completely. If Lorenzo Carter was to be there at 60 I target him for edge. I disagree with Bryan, I believe they target a FA safety like they've always done and then target a 1st RND ILB. Perhaps look at safety in the later RND's. I do like Ballage and Smythe. Smythe is that blocking TE prospect that can catch. Ballage is that later RND sleeper type IMO.


I'd take Carter in the 1st. As much attention as Edmunds is getting, Carter should be getting more. Edmunds is long. Carter is longer. Edmunds is athletic. Carter is moreso. Edmunds is position flexible and has tape to prove it. Carter has the same and more, from a better conference against elite competition. He also checks most of the Steeler draft tendency boxes for the 1st round. If he's there at 28, I might applaud a podium sprint.

one guy is 19 and the other is, what, 23?. I think that's the thing. Carter is more of a finished product (still raw) and Edmunds is a freak at 19. I would take Edmunds over Carter purely as an ILB, but I think Carter can play in any defensive front and excel at LB.

Author:  Ice [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:57 pm ]
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I generally forget to check the age thing. Yet another case. Wonder if overage Georgia LB prospect scares the Steelers off after Jarvis.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:44 pm ]
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Ice wrote:
I generally forget to check the age thing. Yet another case. Wonder if overage Georgia LB prospect scares the Steelers off after Jarvis.

He's not really overaged. I think the average prospect is 22.5 or something at the start of the NFL season and Carter will be 22.75.

Author:  Steelafan77 [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:34 am ]
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Walter football 5 RND mock.....

Pittsburgh Steelers: Leighton Vander Esch, LB, Boise State
Pittsburgh Steelers: Justin Reid, S, Stanford
Pittsburgh Steelers: Kalen Ballage, RB, Arizona State
Pittsburgh Steelers: Harrison Phillips, DE/DT, Stanford
Pittsburgh Steelers: Steve Ishmael, WR, Syracuse

Author:  jebrick [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:46 am ]
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Harrison Phillips in the 5th!!!! That totally unrealistic pick makes the draft for me.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:43 am ]
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nfldraftscout currently has Harrison Phillips as a 1st round pick.

Author:  jebrick [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:58 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
nfldraftscout currently has Harrison Phillips as a 1st round pick.


I have him easily as a top 50 pick

Author:  Steelafan77 [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:19 pm ]
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I was as surprised as you guys. I forgot the link fellas. My Bad. http://walterfootball.com/mocks/nfl/201 ... h-steelers

Author:  Steelersfan [ Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:48 pm ]
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Here is a cutout of the actual board draft of the first round. If the Steelers stayed put at 28 or traded out for a second round pick like B2B did; who else here that fell in this area would you take for the Steelers other than Lorenzo Carter??? (Outside of Rashaan Evans because I'm thinking Evans vs Carter would be about a 50/50 split) Who is better than Carter between picks 28 thru 37 from this list???

1 23 LAR - sgtrobo - Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville
1 24 CAR - ohmegosh - Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist
1 25 TEN - Ironzabo - Rashaan Evans LB Alabama
1 26 ATL - Jobus Rum - Taven Bryant DT Florida Gators.
1 27 NOR - ol skool - Harold Landry of Boston College
1 28 CLE (fr PIT) - SP - Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
1 29 JAX - cop1211 - Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
1 30 MIN - mick - Connor Williams, OT, Texas
1 31 NE - TB - Mike Hughes, CB, Central Florida
1 32 PHI - Ice - Lorenzo Carter, OLB/ILB/EDGE, UGA.
2 33 CLE- SP - Justin Reid, FS, Stanford
2 34 NYG - JackLambert58 - Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa
2 35 CLE- SP - Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
2 36 IND - jebrick - Isaiah Wynn, OG, Georgia
2 37 PIT (fr NYJ via CLE) - B2B - Shaquem Griffin, S/LB, Central Florida
2 38 TB - OhioSteeler - Will Hernandez, G, Texas El-Paso
2 39 CHI - sheppardmj- Isaiah Oliver, CB, Colorado
2 40 DEN - pitty smitty - DJ Chark, WR, LSU

Author:  cop1211 [ Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:17 pm ]
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I’d rather take Reid, or Jackson, than Carter.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:39 am ]
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cop1211 wrote:
I’d rather take Reid, or Jackson, than Carter.

Jackson is a straight up zone CB. He's great at it and would have been a wonderful fit in the cover 3 days.

Reid and maybe Carter. I don't much care for anyone selected in the board draft from 24 though

Harrison Phillips, maybe? Otherwise CBs, OL, RBs, WRs... not too many safeties, ILB, edge guys at that point that seemed like good value.

FWIW, I think Shaquem Griffin is a better football player than Reid now, and will be in the NFL, as well. There's some risk involved but I like Griffin's chances as a playmaker. I'll take Griffin-Goedert-Miller-Nwosu over Reid-Nwosu-Griffin maybe or Carter-Griffin-Ronald Jones

Author:  Ice [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:32 am ]
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Carter/Griffin/Miller would work for me. If Bell isn't in the long term cards, Carter/Griffin/Rojo.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:27 am ]
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Ice wrote:
Carter/Griffin/Miller would work for me. If Bell isn't in the long term cards, Carter/Griffin/Rojo.

I thought about it overnight, and if I can't trade out of 1.28, I'm up for Reid-Nwosu-Griffin or Carter-Nwosu-Griffin (I'd play Carter primarily as ILB and Nwosu primarily as edge, but I think both players are position-flexible.

The Steelers, I think, are more interested than I am in adding a FS and in keeping Davis at SS. After Reid and maybe Bates, it's a long way down to Blanding and the kid from Northwestern. Blanding seems like a good Steelers prediction... he's a productive player with pretty much no splash and fewer mistakes than some of the others. I don't think there's anything special about him except for maybe his tackling, yet I think he'll be an average NFL starter for several years. High floor, low ceiling. Same with Quenton Meeks, who I think will be an effective and totally unspectacular safety in the NFL. Going to play smart football (coach's kid and film junkie) and tackle well... he might be more attractive to the Steelers that the up and down Reid, honestly.

There are a couple of interesting guys later with higher ceilings and lower floors, too, but that's not really their style-- or at least hasn't been other than Gerod Holliman.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:31 am ]
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I'll be honest-- while I'm high on Lorenzo Carter, he's a risk not unlike Dupree. Super athlete who made more plays than Kentucky Dupree, but is a real tweener, without classic edge rush trait nor experience playing inside. I think Nwosu has a similar toolkit but arguably better burst and instincts that make him look faster than he is.

Author:  jebrick [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:30 am ]
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I think Carter will not give the quick Edge rush skills at first but has shown the ability to cover and set the edge. The question will be can you project him to learn the pass rushing skills? Dupree has been ok in pass rushing but can't set the edge.

Author:  jebrick [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:32 am ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ice wrote:
Carter/Griffin/Miller would work for me. If Bell isn't in the long term cards, Carter/Griffin/Rojo.

I thought about it overnight, and if I can't trade out of 1.28, I'm up for Reid-Nwosu-Griffin or Carter-Nwosu-Griffin (I'd play Carter primarily as ILB and Nwosu primarily as edge, but I think both players are position-flexible.

The Steelers, I think, are more interested than I am in adding a FS and in keeping Davis at SS. After Reid and maybe Bates, it's a long way down to Blanding and the kid from Northwestern. Blanding seems like a good Steelers prediction... he's a productive player with pretty much no splash and fewer mistakes than some of the others. I don't think there's anything special about him except for maybe his tackling, yet I think he'll be an average NFL starter for several years. High floor, low ceiling. Same with Quenton Meeks, who I think will be an effective and totally unspectacular safety in the NFL. Going to play smart football (coach's kid and film junkie) and tackle well... he might be more attractive to the Steelers that the up and down Reid, honestly.

There are a couple of interesting guys later with higher ceilings and lower floors, too, but that's not really their style-- or at least hasn't been other than Gerod Holliman.


Reid bothers me in his lack of instincts. He has the athletic ability to play a CF FS type but not the instincts. He will play it slower than his speed. He is also very grabby in coverage.

I am a fan of Bates.

Author:  TB [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:01 pm ]
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PFF nailed Dupree being a bust. The dude only gots sacks and pressures against the worst of the worst tackles in D1 in school. I remember on draft night thinking "Well, at least Dupree will be gone before our pick, glad someone else will take the bullet for him." :lol: Ugh. Sometimes guys fall for a reason.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:58 pm ]
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jebrick wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ice wrote:
Carter/Griffin/Miller would work for me. If Bell isn't in the long term cards, Carter/Griffin/Rojo.

I thought about it overnight, and if I can't trade out of 1.28, I'm up for Reid-Nwosu-Griffin or Carter-Nwosu-Griffin (I'd play Carter primarily as ILB and Nwosu primarily as edge, but I think both players are position-flexible.

The Steelers, I think, are more interested than I am in adding a FS and in keeping Davis at SS. After Reid and maybe Bates, it's a long way down to Blanding and the kid from Northwestern. Blanding seems like a good Steelers prediction... he's a productive player with pretty much no splash and fewer mistakes than some of the others. I don't think there's anything special about him except for maybe his tackling, yet I think he'll be an average NFL starter for several years. High floor, low ceiling. Same with Quenton Meeks, who I think will be an effective and totally unspectacular safety in the NFL. Going to play smart football (coach's kid and film junkie) and tackle well... he might be more attractive to the Steelers that the up and down Reid, honestly.

There are a couple of interesting guys later with higher ceilings and lower floors, too, but that's not really their style-- or at least hasn't been other than Gerod Holliman.


Reid bothers me in his lack of instincts. He has the athletic ability to play a CF FS type but not the instincts. He will play it slower than his speed. He is also very grabby in coverage.

I am a fan of Bates.

Tackling and angles problems. Imagine Sean Davis if Davis had better ball skills, hands, and return game.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:00 pm ]
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TB wrote:
PFF nailed Dupree being a bust. The dude only gots sacks and pressures against the worst of the worst tackles in D1 in school. I remember on draft night thinking "Well, at least Dupree will be gone before our pick, glad someone else will take the bullet for him." :lol: Ugh. Sometimes guys fall for a reason.

Dupree's not a bust. He's not a great pass rusher not leverage player yet (I guess jury is still out)-- but his production rivals the majority of similarly drafted edge players over the past few years. He's still pretty likely to have a double-digit sack season if they use him to rush more. He's basically been turned into a even front SAM backer 50% of the time.

Author:  DP39 [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:07 pm ]
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Speaking of Bud and Edge rushers, I read somewhere the Broncos may consider trading Shane Ray as Barrett and Davis have both come on.

If true, would any of you guys consider it and at what cost? Would you give up this years' 3rd or maybe one of next years 2nd, 3rd or 4th? I think I would.

Author:  Jobus Rum [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:08 pm ]
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DP39 wrote:
Speaking of Bud and Edge rushers, I read somewhere the Broncos may consider trading Shane Ray as Barrett and Davis have both come on.

If true, would any of you guys consider it and at what cost? Would you give up this years' 3rd or maybe one of next years 2nd, 3rd or 4th? I think I would.

I would...Steelers won’t...

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