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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:27 am 
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Nice one aussie. I think this kid will surprise and make a squad. I think he'll have to get his feet wet in the NFL on ST's which will only confirm this kids abilities. I'd draft him later in the draft. Could be a steal. He's got length, speed and twitch. Started out his collegiate career as a WR. Still raw with only 1 year as a starter in college. Also his dad Steve played in the NFL for guess who? In 1987.

Side Note: Someone else I look at later in the draft is his teammate Parker Cothren. Kid has done an excellent job in the middle of the Lions defense and would be a really nice back up to Hargrave going forward. Everyone knows this [middle] to be a weakness for the Steelers defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:18 pm 
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Risers

Defense

Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
Andre Smith LB UNC
Tim Settle NT Va Tech

Offense
Courtland Sutton WR SMU
Jordan Thomas TE Mississippi State
Deion Cain Wr C;emson

Now the fun part draft fallers

Bradley Chubb De NC ST-Slow 4.8ish slow
Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame...Weak can't anchor poor feet
Marcus Davenport DE UTSA...Lazy soft zero motor not athletic looks the part
Harold Landry DE UVA...Slow dumb lazy
Dallas Goedert TE SDSU...Soft weak not NFL fast
Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State...Soft weak slow dumb horrible character off field(Described as an arrogant fucking moron by an NFL scout)

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:29 pm 
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I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:10 am 
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FC wrote:
Risers

Defense

Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
Andre Smith LB UNC
Tim Settle NT Va Tech

Offense
Courtland Sutton WR SMU
Jordan Thomas TE Mississippi State
Deion Cain Wr C;emson

Now the fun part draft fallers

Bradley Chubb De NC ST-Slow 4.8ish slow
Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame...Weak can't anchor poor feet
Marcus Davenport DE UTSA...Lazy soft zero motor not athletic looks the part
Harold Landry DE UVA...Slow dumb lazy
Dallas Goedert TE SDSU...Soft weak not NFL fast
Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State...Soft weak slow dumb horrible character off field(Described as an arrogant fucking moron by an NFL scout)


Interested to see Andre Smith, haven't seen him much. Agree with most of your fallers, but everthing I read and watch on Nelson tells me he is almost certainly guaranteed a spot in the top 10.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:11 am 
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steelmann58 wrote:
I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


Definitely, but the hype the combine generates is always fun.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:36 am 
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steelmann58 wrote:
I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


I think the athletic numbers at the combine go a long way in justifying that the game film will carry over to the next level. If you go too much off tape, you end up with Jarvis Jones. If you go too much with measurable, you end up with Bud Dupree. Look at tape first, if the numbers check out, then go back and re-evaluate tape. Then hit the pro day and re-evaluate the numbers, then back to tape, get player in front of a whiteboard at least a couple of times, and there you have it.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:21 pm 
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Ice wrote:
steelmann58 wrote:
I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


I think the athletic numbers at the combine go a long way in justifying that the game film will carry over to the next level. If you go too much off tape, you end up with Jarvis Jones. If you go too much with measurable, you end up with Bud Dupree. Look at tape first, if the numbers check out, then go back and re-evaluate tape. Then hit the pro day and re-evaluate the numbers, then back to tape, get player in front of a whiteboard at least a couple of times, and there you have it.

Although I totally agree with you Ice, I will point out that, since Bud Dupree's draft year, there are 7 players who've had more sacks in 1st 3 seasons combined. 3 were top 8 picks. One is a straight up 4-3 DE. One had such bad red flags that apparently he was off of more than 20 teams boards. That leaves Danielle Hunter (whose college tape was pretty much worse than Bud's and whose workout numbers were great but less than Bud's) and Yannick Ngakoue, who is a pass rush specialist who provided great value.

Bud is probably going to make it to 10 sacks in a single season, even if he doesn't totally meet expectations. I don't think anyone thinks he had a good season rushing the passer, yet he had 6 (only about 5 or 6 edge rushers for the Steelers have ever had more in a season since they've recorded the stat).

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:14 pm 
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Only picked those two out as examples, and maybe didn't think as far into it as I should have before throwing them out there. As an eternal positivist and ritual giver of multiple chances, I still hold out some hope for Bud, because the ability physically still seems to be there. The "traits that can't be coached," for whatever that expression is worth. Jarvis? Shame, but you could tell that wasn't going to work pretty early, because they just weren't.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:19 pm 
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I think Harold Landry is going to do well at the combine and fail in the NFL. He seems to be a one trick pony and will end up as a situational pass rusher.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:24 pm 
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jebrick wrote:
I think Harold Landry is going to do well at the combine and fail in the NFL. He seems to be a one trick pony and will end up as a situational pass rusher.

You're describing Ngakoue or Cliff Avril or Robert Mathis, as well. It can work, on the right team/situation.

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