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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:21 pm 
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I truly expect Oregon to bitchslap MSU.
Mariota on his way to the Heisman, and #1 draft pick.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
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I truly expect Oregon to bitchslap MSU.
Mariota on his way to the Heisman, and #1 draft pick.


That possibility exists but...Oregon can't beat big boy teams and MSU looks like a top tier SEC program to me. What makes me hesitate is Oregon is much more explosive at the beginning of the year.

I picked Stanford straight up...but it scares me, 3 new Oline starters, about 8 new defensive starters vs a pretty advanced offense that beat them last year.

Really looking forward to these two games.


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I'm with you on Penn State...they will squash Akron at home.


where i'm looking the PSU line is at 14 1/2 right now.



Might have to lock this one in.


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The question for the Oregon/MSU game is this: Who's playing LDT/LDE for MSU? If he's a player like Heyward (tOSU/Oregon Rose Bowl) or Fairley (Auburn/Oregon National Championship), Oregon isn't going anywhere, Mariota looks mortal, loses his Heisman ticket, and Oregon goes down. A good player at that position has historically wrecked that scheme.


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Zivco wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
I truly expect Oregon to bitchslap MSU.
Mariota on his way to the Heisman, and #1 draft pick.


That possibility exists but...Oregon can't beat big boy teams and MSU looks like a top tier SEC program to me. What makes me hesitate is Oregon is much more explosive at the beginning of the year.

I picked Stanford straight up...but it scares me, 3 new Oline starters, about 8 new defensive starters vs a pretty advanced offense that beat them last year.

Really looking forward to these two games.

Well, I can't argue your take on Oregon vs quality teams. You do think more highly of MSU than I, however. I wouldn't put them with the SEC elite. But that's just one mans opinion.

I do agree with you regarding these games. Should be some good football.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
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The question for the Oregon/MSU game is this: Who's playing LDT/LDE for MSU? If he's a player like Heyward (tOSU/Oregon Rose Bowl) or Fairley (Auburn/Oregon National Championship), Oregon isn't going anywhere, Mariota looks mortal, loses his Heisman ticket, and Oregon goes down. A good player at that position has historically wrecked that scheme.

Good point, but I don't know that MSU has that guy. Also, I believe MM is the best QB to come through the Oregon system. Yes...better than the great Dennis Dixon!!! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:21 am 
After further investigation this week is truly a bitch...

I'm off PSU....Akron has played there ass off the last 6 games under Bowden.

I think Vandy's new HC sucks and was going Ole Miss...but that line has moved from 14 to 20.

I've liked Stanford, ND and MSU all week...but many "experts" see those games the other way...

I like the way ECU matches up with SC...but you know Spurrier is pissed and will hang as many as he can.

So...after much debate I'm going with Kansas St minus 12 over Iowa St...even though the early money drove this down 3.5.

If I get that in early I'll likely come back with MSU plus 13 over Ducks...

And being a complete degenerate I like Hawaii and the 10 points vs Oregon St. late night...


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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
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Since we are talking bets, I just saw the Rams are at -3 vs Minny. Is Minny really supposed to be that bad as the dogs verse a team that just lost there starting qb?

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R S wrote:
Since we are talking bets, I just saw the Rams are at -3 vs Minny. Is Minny really supposed to be that bad as the dogs verse a team that just lost there starting qb?

Well, a team that just lost it's starting QB, vs a team that lost it's starting QB, what is it, 4 or 5 years ago. Without looking it up, I assume the Rams are at home, thus the three points. With the obvious exception of RB, one could make the case for the Rams at just about every position.
But then, what do I know? I quit betting football many years ago. (Long, boring story, but I'm sure you all can figure it out. ;) )

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Watching the first 2 PSU games of the year, I've come to the conclusion that I've never heard a color man so completely oblivious and clueless to what is actually happening in a game than Ed Cunningham. Congrats Ed, out of all the dipshit announcers, you take the cake. That's a feat.

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Silly question here...when did PSU start having their names on their jerseys?

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I believe 2 years ago, start of the O'Brien era.

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BucYeah wrote:
I believe 2 years ago, start of the O'Brien era.

Thanks. For some reason, I never noticed before today. Just doesn't look right to me

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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
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Jobus Rum wrote:
BucYeah wrote:
I believe 2 years ago, start of the O'Brien era.

Thanks. For some reason, I never noticed before today. Just doesn't look right to me


Yeah, definitely looks odd after all those years with the traditional blue or white unmarked jerseys.

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Well It wasn't pretty. But PSU covered the 14 1/2. Chalk one up for the good guys

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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
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Nice win. Akron isn't terrible, but PSU has a bunch of areas to clean up.
Not sure how I feel about the play calling and Franklin's in game management.

Hack is a talent but, sometimes makes horrible decisions. I don't know if he thinks he can make any throw, if he is trying to do too much or has trouble reading his 2nd and 3rd options. Either way he should improve as the season progresses.

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Hack was off today. It wasn't all about misreading, he was just missing throws. Inaccurate. Though I did notice in the first half that his targets were just not getting separation and many times he had nowhere to go with the ball.

Franklin tries to get too cute sometimes, I've noticed The halfback pass and the reverse thrown in there when they had a drive going, being examples.

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Stanford as a 2 1/2 point favorite at home vs USC. I'd take that action.


How'd that work out for you?


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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
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Zivco wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
I truly expect Oregon to bitchslap MSU.
Mariota on his way to the Heisman, and #1 draft pick.


That possibility exists but...Oregon can't beat big boy teams and MSU looks like a top tier SEC program to me. What makes me hesitate is Oregon is much more explosive at the beginning of the year.

I picked Stanford straight up...but it scares me, 3 new Oline starters, about 8 new defensive starters vs a pretty advanced offense that beat them last year.

Really looking forward to these two games.


What made you think MSU looked "big time"? They got their ass handed to them.

Mariota might get a Heisman... If he's the #1 pick my guess is he's a huge bust.


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Mariota is going to be a huge bust whether he's #1 overall pick or a 5th rounder.

- Good mechanics
- Has never had to go through route progressions
- Wide receivers tend to be wide open
- Designed scheme (options/fakes/etc) cause defense to hesitate and get out of position, slowing things down for him to make the throws
- Doesn't take snaps under center
- Only 1 Oregon QB in history has been worth a damn

Maybe he'll prove me wrong and overcome all of those things, but until then, he's Dennis Dixon.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:30 pm 
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Jobus Rum wrote:
I truly expect Oregon to bitchslap MSU.
Mariota on his way to the Heisman, and #1 draft pick.


That possibility exists but...Oregon can't beat big boy teams and MSU looks like a top tier SEC program to me. What makes me hesitate is Oregon is much more explosive at the beginning of the year.

I picked Stanford straight up...but it scares me, 3 new Oline starters, about 8 new defensive starters vs a pretty advanced offense that beat them last year.

Really looking forward to these two games.


What made you think MSU looked "big time"? They got their ass handed to them.

Mariota might get a Heisman... If he's the #1 pick my guess is he's a huge bust.


MSU physically beat up the Ducks most of the game. Whole thing changed when Cook went cold mid third qter and missed the rb and hung his head for 10 minutes...Mariotta played magician with his feet and it dominoed. Michigan State, FSU and Stanford are really the only teams as physical as the top of the SEC...and one of those teams likely win it all.


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SteelKnife wrote:
Mariota is going to be a huge bust whether he's #1 overall pick or a 5th rounder.

- Good mechanics
- Has never had to go through route progressions
- Wide receivers tend to be wide open
- Designed scheme (options/fakes/etc) cause defense to hesitate and get out of position, slowing things down for him to make the throws
- Doesn't take snaps under center
- Only 1 Oregon QB in history has been worth a damn

Maybe he'll prove me wrong and overcome all of those things, but until then, he's Dennis Dixon.


Mariota has good pocket presence under pressure and doesn't melt or get happy feet. I will say that for him. I don't see why he can't be another Kaepernik.


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SP wrote:
SteelKnife wrote:
Mariota is going to be a huge bust whether he's #1 overall pick or a 5th rounder.

- Good mechanics
- Has never had to go through route progressions
- Wide receivers tend to be wide open
- Designed scheme (options/fakes/etc) cause defense to hesitate and get out of position, slowing things down for him to make the throws
- Doesn't take snaps under center
- Only 1 Oregon QB in history has been worth a damn

Maybe he'll prove me wrong and overcome all of those things, but until then, he's Dennis Dixon.


Mariota has good pocket presence under pressure and doesn't melt or get happy feet. I will say that for him. I don't see why he can't be another Kaepernik.


Kaepernick isn't all that great, imo. With Boldin, Crabtree, Davis, and Gore (though Gore is now old), they should be way better offensively than they are.

Don't forget that this was Dixon's scouting report.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/dennis-dixon?id=748

Oregon is great at creating QBs with elite numbers, but that's about it.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB Week 2. Lead Pipe Locks of the week.
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If Kaepernick can ever learn to put some touch on the ball instead of throwing 70 MPH wheel routes he will be great, I think.

Kaepernick played for a team with shit talent and knocked off a few major league schools. Physically, he's more gifted than Mariota... I think that's a poor comparison.

Oregon's system means you have to rebuild any QB you draft from there to play NFL football. It's like drafting an Urban Meyer QB- this isn't to say they CAN'T make it, but you're taking on a project.


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