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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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A fallacy perpetuated mostly by folks who have nothing to do with the university, other than what happens on Saturday afternoon. The problem is when the school itself buys into that fallacy when marketing itself to potential students.

I enjoy the fact that I graduated from a school that I can watch play football on fall Saturdays, and basketball in the winter and spring. Having long since left the institution and the area, it provides a connection to a great time in my life. I've always thought that was really the point of the whole thing. It definitely wasn't high on my list when I made the decision to attend, though.


Sounds like a very poor tour guide and it's a shame the idiocy of a tour guide scared off a potential student. Given the fact that 95% of women don't give a rat's ass about football, what a dumb move...because it really is a great academic school in a great community.

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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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A fallacy perpetuated mostly by folks who have nothing to do with the university, other than what happens on Saturday afternoon. The problem is when the school itself buys into that fallacy when marketing itself to potential students.

I enjoy the fact that I graduated from a school that I can watch play football on fall Saturdays, and basketball in the winter and spring. Having long since left the institution and the area, it provides a connection to a great time in my life. I've always thought that was really the point of the whole thing. It definitely wasn't high on my list when I made the decision to attend, though.


Sounds like a very poor tour guide and it's a shame the idiocy of a tour guide scared off a potential student. Given the fact that 95% of women don't give a rat's ass about football, what a dumb move...because it really is a great academic school in a great community.


It really is a fine academic institution, but I did those tours for a semester at Pitt. They are 100% scripted by the admissions department. No college or university whose degree is worth the paper it's printed on would allow tour guides to freelance.


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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:51 am 
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If it truly was a scripted thing, I have to believe your friend was exaggerating a little. If I took a tour of Baltimore and the tour guide even talked up the Ravens for 10 seconds i'd be annoyed as hell. But, fact is, having a major football program is a draw for students. So I don't doubt there is a some mention in the tour.

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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:46 pm 
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A fallacy perpetuated mostly by folks who have nothing to do with the university, other than what happens on Saturday afternoon. The problem is when the school itself buys into that fallacy when marketing itself to potential students.

I enjoy the fact that I graduated from a school that I can watch play football on fall Saturdays, and basketball in the winter and spring. Having long since left the institution and the area, it provides a connection to a great time in my life. I've always thought that was really the point of the whole thing. It definitely wasn't high on my list when I made the decision to attend, though.


Sounds like a very poor tour guide and it's a shame the idiocy of a tour guide scared off a potential student. Given the fact that 95% of women don't give a rat's ass about football, what a dumb move...because it really is a great academic school in a great community.


It really is a fine academic institution, but I did those tours for a semester at Pitt. They are 100% scripted by the admissions department. No college or university whose degree is worth the paper it's printed on would allow tour guides to freelance.


I can clear this up.

Penn State Ambassadors memorize scripts but each script varies depending on which route the tour takes. They don't all travel in the same parts of campus. But they do spend a lot of time talking football and Joe Paterno.

These tours are unavoidable when you're on campus. I spent 3 years in Happy Valley and I cannot recall a single time where I heard a tour guide giving talking about Joe and football while in the heart of the campus, it's almost always reserved for areas where it would make sense.

Then again I graduated before Joe's disgraceful exit so maybe that's a thing they do now. It wouldn't surprise me.

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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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I think it's a great thing for the current staff and players that the ban has been lifted and the scholarships restored. It was a pretty clear overreaction by the NCAA, though understandable, given the unprecedented nature of the situation. None of these coaches or players had anything to do with it, though, so this is fair.

That's as far as it's going, though. Paterno, whether knowingly or not, participated in the situation, the cover-up, the whole nine. I would be surprised if the wins are restored. I understand he's still a beloved figure, and I get that the Sandusky thing had nothing to do with play on the field; but it was going on at the time, and it should affect his personal legacy. The taking away of those wins (the portion of his legacy of which he may have been most proud) seems like decent poetic justice to me.


No...the taking away of the wins was a petulant over-reaction.

Firing Paterno and punishing the program was enough.

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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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I can clear this up.

Penn State Ambassadors memorize scripts but each script varies depending on which route the tour takes. They don't all travel in the same parts of campus. But they do spend a lot of time talking football and Joe Paterno.

These tours are unavoidable when you're on campus. I spent 3 years in Happy Valley and I cannot recall a single time where I heard a tour guide giving talking about Joe and football while in the heart of the campus, it's almost always reserved for areas where it would make sense.

Then again I graduated before Joe's disgraceful exit so maybe that's a thing they do now. It wouldn't surprise me.


This makes sense. I'm not saying this is the case, but if Ice's friend is from Ohio and a Buckeye fan it wouldn't take more than a few mentions of the football team to annoy him. Same would go for me if a Baltimore tour guide started talking up the Ravens.

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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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Jeemie wrote:
Ice wrote:
I think it's a great thing for the current staff and players that the ban has been lifted and the scholarships restored. It was a pretty clear overreaction by the NCAA, though understandable, given the unprecedented nature of the situation. None of these coaches or players had anything to do with it, though, so this is fair.

That's as far as it's going, though. Paterno, whether knowingly or not, participated in the situation, the cover-up, the whole nine. I would be surprised if the wins are restored. I understand he's still a beloved figure, and I get that the Sandusky thing had nothing to do with play on the field; but it was going on at the time, and it should affect his personal legacy. The taking away of those wins (the portion of his legacy of which he may have been most proud) seems like decent poetic justice to me.


No...the taking away of the wins was a petulant over-reaction.

Firing Paterno and punishing the program was enough.


Agreed, Jeems...100%


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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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This year's seniors, and red-shirt juniors, were freshman when this broke. They had nothing to do with any of this.

They were being punished.


And they were free to transfer to any team they wanted without sitting out.

So no, they weren't being punished.


Maybe they like it at Penn State, for football AND for everything else. They shouldn't need to transfer. So yeah...they were being punished.


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 Post subject: Re: PSU post season ban dropped
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I can clear this up.

Penn State Ambassadors memorize scripts but each script varies depending on which route the tour takes. They don't all travel in the same parts of campus. But they do spend a lot of time talking football and Joe Paterno.

These tours are unavoidable when you're on campus. I spent 3 years in Happy Valley and I cannot recall a single time where I heard a tour guide giving talking about Joe and football while in the heart of the campus, it's almost always reserved for areas where it would make sense.

Then again I graduated before Joe's disgraceful exit so maybe that's a thing they do now. It wouldn't surprise me.


This makes sense. I'm not saying this is the case, but if Ice's friend is from Ohio and a Buckeye fan it wouldn't take more than a few mentions of the football team to annoy him. Same would go for me if a Baltimore tour guide started talking up the Ravens.


My colleague is a teacher in Delaware.


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