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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:07 am 
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Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.

Boom.

No joke: I would much rather watch Western Michigan and Zack Terrell play the game of their lives for three quarters + vs Alabama than see 2-loss Penn State get demolished by Alabama.

This discussion is all moot when Penn State loses in the Big 10 championship game. It is truly satisfying, though, to know it might be the humbling at Heinz that keeps those Paterno-worshippers from sniffing a playoff berth.

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Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.


I live in CA. don't give a single fuck about penn st. (in fact, i stand to win some money if ohio st. wins the national championship)

I'm sharing an opinion that a trip to the final four should be earned on the field, and the first step to earning it on the field is to win a power 5 conf champ.

I don't even know how to get my arms around Western Michigan. A b2b directional school in the playoff?

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.

Boom.

No joke: I would much rather watch Western Michigan and Zack Terrell play the game of their lives for three quarters + vs Alabama than see 2-loss Penn State get demolished by Alabama.

This discussion is all moot when Penn State loses in the Big 10 championship game. It is truly satisfying, though, to know it might be the humbling at Heinz that keeps those Paterno-worshippers from sniffing a playoff berth.


This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


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Charles Demarr wrote:

This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


Any chance you'll share your non flawed logic?

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Lifelongsteel wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:

This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


Any chance you'll share your non flawed logic?


The whole "have to win the conference championship" in order to get in crowd from Penn St. is pretty flawed. OSU #2 in the nation, #2 strength of schedule, wins vs. 3 top 10's.

Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Lifelongsteel wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:

This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


Any chance you'll share your non flawed logic?


The whole "have to win the conference championship" in order to get in crowd from Penn St. is pretty flawed. OSU #2 in the nation, #2 strength of schedule, wins vs. 3 top 10's.

Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


Right. Then Wisconsin should be ahead of Ohio St.

In the NFL you don't make the playoff due to your power ranking, or strength of schedule, or top 10 wins. Why should college be different?

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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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We'll agree to disagree. Go check out Corey Davis and Zach Terrell from WMU. They are going to beat someone up on New Year's day. They are legit.

Great running game too. PJ Fleck is going to get paid after bowl season.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


Not so certain if Alex Hornibrook isn't ready to go.

Even if he is, I think the teams are evenly matched. This isn't the same Penn State team that lost to Pitt and got blown out by Michigan. I think some people are a little blinded to how good Penn State really is.

That said, count me in as one of those who'd rather see Penn State left out of the playoff and have a chance to win the Rose Bowl (although beating Colorado would be a daunting task) than get rolled as the #4 by Alabama.

I'm thinking the FBS people would rather that not happen either. They can talk about qualifications until they're blue in the face...they don't want the games to be boring blowouts either if they can help it.

And to be honest- judging from some of the reactions of posters here...it's probably "too soon" in the eyes of many FBS officials for Penn State to be in such a national spotlight again.

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tOSU vs PSU at The Shoe next year should be a HUGE game. Already looking forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.

Boom.

No joke: I would much rather watch Western Michigan and Zack Terrell play the game of their lives for three quarters + vs Alabama than see 2-loss Penn State get demolished by Alabama.

This discussion is all moot when Penn State loses in the Big 10 championship game. It is truly satisfying, though, to know it might be the humbling at Heinz that keeps those Paterno-worshippers from sniffing a playoff berth.


I'm reminded of.....Penn State-48 #1Pitt-14. Remember that??
And B2B....why dub all Penn State fans Paterno-Worshippers?


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Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Jeemie wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


Not so certain if Alex Hornibrook isn't ready to go.

Even if he is, I think the teams are evenly matched. This isn't the same Penn State team that lost to Pitt and got blown out by Michigan. I think some people are a little blinded to how good Penn State really is.

That said, count me in as one of those who'd rather see Penn State left out of the playoff and have a chance to win the Rose Bowl (although beating Colorado would be a daunting task) than get rolled as the #4 by Alabama.

I'm thinking the FBS people would rather that not happen either. They can talk about qualifications until they're blue in the face...they don't want the games to be boring blowouts either if they can help it.


And to be honest- judging from some of the reactions of posters here...it's probably "too soon" in the eyes of many FBS officials for Penn State to be in such a national spotlight again.


Earlier Jeems, I posted the respective stats of J.T. Burnett and Trace McSorley last weekend, point being, Penn State can pass the freakin' ball.....point being, the Buckeyes, down to 'Bama, can't mount a challenge, Penn State can keep slingin' it.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Ice wrote:
Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


Sure as fuck bothered your Pitt elders.....cost 'em (and Dan Marino) a national championship that year.


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Ice wrote:
Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


Sure as fuck bothered your Pitt elders.....cost 'em (and Dan Marino) a national championship that year.


Well, looking like for all of you Paternity Brothers who were around back then, turnaround may indeed be fair play. Pitt loss mentioned by just about everyone analyzing the latest rankings a few minutes ago as a major thorn in PSU's side going into the final weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


Sure as fuck bothered your Pitt elders.....cost 'em (and Dan Marino) a national championship that year.


One of my favorite all-time Penn State victories.

I remember my brother flipped the fuck out, though, tried to blame Pitt's loss on poor officiating.

I was like "Dude...it was a 34 point win".

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That would have been a lot of poor officiating. That said, I've made the same complaint about a few lopsided Pens losses.


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Charles Demarr wrote:
We'll agree to disagree. Go check out Corey Davis and Zach Terrell from WMU. They are going to beat someone up on New Year's day. They are legit.

Great running game too. PJ Fleck is going to get paid after bowl season.

That someone is going to be Penn State, adding to the angst here.

I think we should immediately-- as in next year-- go to an 8 team playoff, with at least 1 non power conference or whatever they are calling them these days school. Imagine every year, the top non power school program... Boise State, Western Michigan, etc. gets a shot vs the #1 team in the land. Well worth seeing their Rocky moment.

Furthermore, there 100% ought to be relegations in college football. North Dakota State can move up, Kansas can move down. Do that for a few years and then this playoff system will begin to make perfect sense.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
We'll agree to disagree. Go check out Corey Davis and Zach Terrell from WMU. They are going to beat someone up on New Year's day. They are legit.

Great running game too. PJ Fleck is going to get paid after bowl season.

That someone is going to be Penn State, adding to the angst here.

I think we should immediately-- as in next year-- go to an 8 team playoff, with at least 1 non power conference or whatever they are calling them these days school. Imagine every year, the top non power school program... Boise State, Western Michigan, etc. gets a shot vs the #1 team in the land. Well worth seeing their Rocky moment.

Furthermore, there 100% ought to be relegations in college football. North Dakota State can move up, Kansas can move down. Do that for a few years and then this playoff system will begin to make perfect sense.


Cool idea to have the #8 coming from a non power conference. While I still like 4, if they go to 8 i'd like to see that.

8 is easy for a number of reasons
- 5 power 5 conferences get automatic bids
- 3 wildcards, including the aforementioned non power 5 school
- wildcards and seeding done by following current ranking process

I don't like the relegation idea. To me college football is a regional sport and a rivalry sport. Breaking up conferences and rivalries would hurt the sport imo.

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Lifelongsteel wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
We'll agree to disagree. Go check out Corey Davis and Zach Terrell from WMU. They are going to beat someone up on New Year's day. They are legit.

Great running game too. PJ Fleck is going to get paid after bowl season.

That someone is going to be Penn State, adding to the angst here.

I think we should immediately-- as in next year-- go to an 8 team playoff, with at least 1 non power conference or whatever they are calling them these days school. Imagine every year, the top non power school program... Boise State, Western Michigan, etc. gets a shot vs the #1 team in the land. Well worth seeing their Rocky moment.

Furthermore, there 100% ought to be relegations in college football. North Dakota State can move up, Kansas can move down. Do that for a few years and then this playoff system will begin to make perfect sense.


Cool idea to have the #8 coming from a non power conference. While I still like 4, if they go to 8 i'd like to see that.

8 is easy for a number of reasons
- 5 power 5 conferences get automatic bids
- 3 wildcards, including the aforementioned non power 5 school
- wildcards and seeding done by following current ranking process

I don't like the relegation idea. To me college football is a regional sport and a rivalry sport. Breaking up conferences and rivalries would hurt the sport imo.

Is Kansas somebody's rival? Let them have N Dakota State and the bison will be a real rival in comparison.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
We'll agree to disagree. Go check out Corey Davis and Zach Terrell from WMU. They are going to beat someone up on New Year's day. They are legit.

Great running game too. PJ Fleck is going to get paid after bowl season.

That someone is going to be Penn State, adding to the angst here.

I think we should immediately-- as in next year-- go to an 8 team playoff, with at least 1 non power conference or whatever they are calling them these days school. Imagine every year, the top non power school program... Boise State, Western Michigan, etc. gets a shot vs the #1 team in the land. Well worth seeing their Rocky moment.

Furthermore, there 100% ought to be relegations in college football. North Dakota State can move up, Kansas can move down. Do that for a few years and then this playoff system will begin to make perfect sense.


I'm praying it's Penn State. Western is no joke. I like your idea, 8 teams makes more sense.


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Charles Demarr wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
We'll agree to disagree. Go check out Corey Davis and Zach Terrell from WMU. They are going to beat someone up on New Year's day. They are legit.

Great running game too. PJ Fleck is going to get paid after bowl season.

That someone is going to be Penn State, adding to the angst here.

I think we should immediately-- as in next year-- go to an 8 team playoff, with at least 1 non power conference or whatever they are calling them these days school. Imagine every year, the top non power school program... Boise State, Western Michigan, etc. gets a shot vs the #1 team in the land. Well worth seeing their Rocky moment.

Furthermore, there 100% ought to be relegations in college football. North Dakota State can move up, Kansas can move down. Do that for a few years and then this playoff system will begin to make perfect sense.


I'm praying it's Penn State. Western is no joke. I like your idea, 8 teams makes more sense.

even 6 makes more sense. A bye for #1 & 2; 5 conf champs and a wild card team.

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Won't be any angst from me.

Penn State's way ahead of where I thought they'd be this year. It's been a great season whether they make the playoff or not (and I expect them not to, barring a Clemson or Washington loss).

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Continue to HATE the discussion of margin of victory this weekend influencing playoff berths.


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Jeemie wrote:
Won't be any angst from me.

Penn State's way ahead of where I thought they'd be this year. It's been a great season whether they make the playoff or not (and I expect them not to, barring a Clemson or Washington loss).

As a Pitt fan, we agree that this was a great season for Penn State! :lol:

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Jeemie wrote:
Won't be any angst from me.

Penn State's way ahead of where I thought they'd be this year. It's been a great season whether they make the playoff or not (and I expect them not to, barring a Clemson or Washington loss).

As a Pitt fan, we agree that this was a great season for Penn State! :lol:


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