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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:28 pm 
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Is just about the best TE class I can remember. CB is deep again, also.

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TE:
Howard and Njoku get 1st round grades from me.
Engram, I'm not sure if he's a big WR or small TE, but he's up there too.
Leggett and Hodges are 2nd round talent. Jake Butt without the injury should be in this range.
6 guys with legit top 60 potential is a nice TE class. There are a handful of mid rounders with good potential as well, but the talent at the top.

CB
It's a good year to want a big press corner. Lattimore, Humphrey, Tabor, Conley, Tankersly, Moreau, Wilson, Douglas, King are all in that 6'0 200 lb mold. The mid round depth quality is really strong. Kazee, the two guys from Colorado, Elder, Penton can all play and help a team.

The pass rushers is a deep but flawed group. After the first few sure things come off the board, the rest have issues. I think some will be really good, some will be mediocre, some will bust.

RB group is really good and deep. The Steelers badly need to take some of the load off of Bell. There will be very good talent throughout the draft at RB. Mixon is a 1st round talent that will fall because he threw a right cross at a chick. Eljah McGuire's name will rise as people begin to study him. Very talented player. Kamara, McNichols, Gallman all fit the modern NFL RB position and can be weapons in the passing game. Even late round / UDFA types like DAngelo Henderson can contribute to teams early.

Safety group has high end talent at the top and a little depth, not great. QB crop sucks.


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The pass rushers is a deep but flawed group. After the first few sure things come off the board, the rest have issues. I think some will be really good, some will be mediocre, some will bust.




Perch or B2B: What are your thoughts on drafting Tim WIlliams from Bama or Tanoh Kpassagnon from Villanova?


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Silverback92 wrote:
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The pass rushers is a deep but flawed group. After the first few sure things come off the board, the rest have issues. I think some will be really good, some will be mediocre, some will bust.




Perch or B2B: What are your thoughts on drafting Tim WIlliams from Bama or Tanoh Kpassagnon from Villanova?


Williams can rush the passer. He has reportedly failed multiple drug tests. Do we need another one of those guys? TK from Nova can't play. Bunch of draft nerds are jerkin off over his physique, can't play.


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I think Williams has reached his ceiling. I am not a fan. I like Takkarist McKinley or Charles Harris.

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Williams is without a doubt the most explosive pass rusher of the three, no question. It's the other stuff with him that is the issue. McKinley played like he was made of velcro against better competition. Hit the tackle and stuck to him. A couple other games he got good pressure. No questioning his motor though, he hustles. I'm not sure I draft Williams at all if his issues don't check out, so maybe McKinley is the guy at 30. I think I'd take him over Harris.


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I look at all of the OLBs as raw material. Most of them have very little training beyond a few moves. None of that bothers me if they can get off the ball and are teachable.

I would agree that Williams is the most pro ready of any of the other players. All depends on the drug tests and who is on the board. Colbert and Co may shy away as the amount of fines they have paid because of the suspensions of their players due to drug issues has been high the last 2 years.

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 Post subject: Re: This Draft Class
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:52 pm 
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TE:
Howard and Njoku get 1st round grades from me.
Engram, I'm not sure if he's a big WR or small TE, but he's up there too.
Leggett and Hodges are 2nd round talent. Jake Butt without the injury should be in this range.
6 guys with legit top 60 potential is a nice TE class. There are a handful of mid rounders with good potential as well, but the talent at the top.

CB
It's a good year to want a big press corner. Lattimore, Humphrey, Tabor, Conley, Tankersly, Moreau, Wilson, Douglas, King are all in that 6'0 200 lb mold. The mid round depth quality is really strong. Kazee, the two guys from Colorado, Elder, Penton can all play and help a team.

The pass rushers is a deep but flawed group. After the first few sure things come off the board, the rest have issues. I think some will be really good, some will be mediocre, some will bust.

RB group is really good and deep. The Steelers badly need to take some of the load off of Bell. There will be very good talent throughout the draft at RB. Mixon is a 1st round talent that will fall because he threw a right cross at a chick. Eljah McGuire's name will rise as people begin to study him. Very talented player. Kamara, McNichols, Gallman all fit the modern NFL RB position and can be weapons in the passing game. Even late round / UDFA types like DAngelo Henderson can contribute to teams early.

Safety group has high end talent at the top and a little depth, not great. QB crop sucks.

There are at least two TEs you didn't mention I would take as better values than many of the names you mentioned.

I'm about 1/4 of the way into looking at edge guys, and I've only been impressed by 3-4 of them, with varying degrees of polish and availability.

I think Deangelo Henderson is a UDFA and is a better fit as a Steelers backup than almost anyone I've seen so far. I've been a fan since Coastal's first FCS playoff run. Plus, they can just refer to backup RB as Deangelo.

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 Post subject: Re: This Draft Class
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That why the Steelers need to sign a Fa pass rusher too. But like the ability to add a quality Te


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Potentially a great safety group. The steelers needs are well represented in this draft. They better not fuck it up.


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 Post subject: Re: This Draft Class
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Williams is without a doubt the most explosive pass rusher of the three, no question. It's the other stuff with him that is the issue. McKinley played like he was made of velcro against better competition. Hit the tackle and stuck to him. A couple other games he got good pressure. No questioning his motor though, he hustles. I'm not sure I draft Williams at all if his issues don't check out, so maybe McKinley is the guy at 30. I think I'd take him over Harris.

I'm totally with you Perch, although I don't take McKinley or Harris at 30. The velcro comment was 100% truth. I wish I knew more about what Tim Williams' off the field stuff is like, because he can not only rush the passer but he can hold the point in the run game.

I saw Bucky's Brooks mock had Derek Barnett falling to TB at #20... If Barnett falls anywhere close to that, I'm trading next year's first to move up. He's the only no brainer lock edge rusher-- even Myles has some issues. Barnett is a plug and play Pro Bowler.

The other possibility, I guess, is Lawson. There's even some talk about the kid from Temple sneaking into the first round.

As big a need as edge rusher is for this team, it'll totally not shock me if they don't take one in the 1st round.

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 Post subject: Re: This Draft Class
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That why the Steelers need to sign a Fa pass rusher too. But like the ability to add a quality Te


We should play the Denver game...draft a pass rusher, sign a free agent pass rusher, purloin a bunch of up-and-coming draft rushers off practice squads a we can, find UDFA pass rushers.

Find what we need by increasing the number of shots we take.

That, incidentally, is also how New England does it. They find gems like Malcolm Butler and Chris Hogan not because Bill Belichick is a genius talent evaluator, but because he makes sure he buys as many lottery tickets as possible.

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The other possibility, I guess, is Lawson. There's even some talk about the kid from Temple sneaking into the first round.

As big a need as edge rusher is for this team, it'll totally not shock me if they don't take one in the 1st round.

Kid from Temple is an ILB in my book. Not much different from Shazier or Timmons size wise coming out of college.


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The other possibility, I guess, is Lawson. There's even some talk about the kid from Temple sneaking into the first round.

As big a need as edge rusher is for this team, it'll totally not shock me if they don't take one in the 1st round.

Kid from Temple is an ILB in my book. Not much different from Shazier or Timmons size wise coming out of college.

I do think that's where he's ultimately headed... but the thing is: the league is changing. If NE is going to scheme you into dropping OLBs into coverage, maybe the counter to that is blitzers rather than edge rushers, you know what I mean? Maybe you have 4 interchangeable LB types on the field-- guys with outlier speed/size? Hard for me to say that's next, but I could imagine it happening.

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The other possibility, I guess, is Lawson. There's even some talk about the kid from Temple sneaking into the first round.

As big a need as edge rusher is for this team, it'll totally not shock me if they don't take one in the 1st round.

Kid from Temple is an ILB in my book. Not much different from Shazier or Timmons size wise coming out of college.

I do think that's where he's ultimately headed... but the thing is: the league is changing. If NE is going to scheme you into dropping OLBs into coverage, maybe the counter to that is blitzers rather than edge rushers, you know what I mean? Maybe you have 4 interchangeable LB types on the field-- guys with outlier speed/size? Hard for me to say that's next, but I could imagine it happening.

It's already changed. It's the Steelers who haven't changed. Everybody talks about how great our defense played over the last 9 games, but I don't see any great QB's on those teams. I think if we would have pulled off a miracle against NE, we would had our hands full with GB or ATL. This defensive philosophy is 1990's old. We need a dominant front four who are both good vs. run and can rush the QB with coverage LB's and DB's.


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Carl Lawson will be available at the end of the 2nd round....He's going to fall.


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deep @ spots we need.


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Appearing on the Setting the Edge Podcast, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport revealed some NFL evaluators consider Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes as the top QB in the draft.

The hosts of the podcast suggested Mahomes might be a pick for the Cardinals in the second round, with Rapoport interjecting "if he makes it to round two." The first round quarterback discussion largely centered around Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky and DeShone Kizer, but it might be time to throw Mahomes' name in the hat. Mahomes is a completely unique player, so some teams will fall in love and others will rank him outside of the top five prospects at the position.


Call it a hunch...If Mahomes is there when the Steelers pick he is a Steeler

He wont be though...Mahomes will go top 5. Mahomes will be the 1st Qb drafted

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Appearing on the Setting the Edge Podcast, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport revealed some NFL evaluators consider Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes as the top QB in the draft.

The hosts of the podcast suggested Mahomes might be a pick for the Cardinals in the second round, with Rapoport interjecting "if he makes it to round two." The first round quarterback discussion largely centered around Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky and DeShone Kizer, but it might be time to throw Mahomes' name in the hat. Mahomes is a completely unique player, so some teams will fall in love and others will rank him outside of the top five prospects at the position.


Call it a hunch...If Mahomes is there when the Steelers pick he is a Steeler

He wont be though...Mahomes will go top 5. Mahomes will be the 1st Qb drafted

should be, won't necessarily be

He'd be such a great fit in PGH.

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I've been watching more Carl Lawson tape. Opinions of him are all across the board, top 10 pick to late day 2 guy. All I know is he has a quick get off and a couple of moves that allow him to get to the QB in short order. Injuries are a concern, but of the late 1st round group he might be our best option.


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I've been watching more Carl Lawson tape. Opinions of him are all across the board, top 10 pick to late day 2 guy. All I know is he has a quick get off and a couple of moves that allow him to get to the QB in short order. Injuries are a concern, but of the late 1st round group he might be our best option.

Pre-combine-- which as you all know I think is a factor for predicting edge rusher success... I have Lawson at #6-7 edge. I have Barnett (safest), Garrett, (best all-around... young, safe, upside), Tim Williams (off-field is a big unknown), Solomon Thomas (young potential), and a mystery edge or two I might put above Lawson. I am down on McKinley and haven't seen the magic Harris tape that sells me. I am intrigued by a couple of the mid major guys but IMO they are mid round picks to develop, not safe bets.

If I am forced to pick an edge at 1.30, I'm probably not taking Lawson over a couple other available guys. After the combine, I think my mystery guy's names will be front and center.

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I've been watching more Carl Lawson tape. Opinions of him are all across the board, top 10 pick to late day 2 guy. All I know is he has a quick get off and a couple of moves that allow him to get to the QB in short order. Injuries are a concern, but of the late 1st round group he might be our best option.

Pre-combine-- which as you all know I think is a factor for predicting edge rusher success... I have Lawson at #6-7 edge. I have Barnett (safest), Garrett, (best all-around... young, safe, upside), Tim Williams (off-field is a big unknown), Solomon Thomas (young potential), and a mystery edge or two I might put above Lawson. I am down on McKinley and haven't seen the magic Harris tape that sells me. I am intrigued by a couple of the mid major guys but IMO they are mid round picks to develop, not safe bets.

If I am forced to pick an edge at 1.30, I'm probably not taking Lawson over a couple other available guys. After the combine, I think my mystery guy's names will be front and center.



Have you watched Rivers from YSU? A lot to like there. I have him clearly over Anderson from Bama among others. Late 2nd or 3rd rounder for me.


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I've been watching more Carl Lawson tape. Opinions of him are all across the board, top 10 pick to late day 2 guy. All I know is he has a quick get off and a couple of moves that allow him to get to the QB in short order. Injuries are a concern, but of the late 1st round group he might be our best option.

Pre-combine-- which as you all know I think is a factor for predicting edge rusher success... I have Lawson at #6-7 edge. I have Barnett (safest), Garrett, (best all-around... young, safe, upside), Tim Williams (off-field is a big unknown), Solomon Thomas (young potential), and a mystery edge or two I might put above Lawson. I am down on McKinley and haven't seen the magic Harris tape that sells me. I am intrigued by a couple of the mid major guys but IMO they are mid round picks to develop, not safe bets.

If I am forced to pick an edge at 1.30, I'm probably not taking Lawson over a couple other available guys. After the combine, I think my mystery guy's names will be front and center.



Have you watched Rivers from YSU? A lot to like there. I have him clearly over Anderson from Bama among others. Late 2nd or 3rd rounder for me.

That's my dude. I'm always reluctant to be the first to mention anyone here... but Rivers might end up being a late 1st rounder after the combine and Senior Bowl. Very intriguing talent. Purely on the field-- I'd take Williams, I think... but Rivers overall might be a better Steelers fit. I think Rivers and Wise and Barnett are all intriguing also because they could be inside rushers in nickel.

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Not so fast my friend

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Not so fast my friend

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I saw him play in person during the playoffs. He's a big man and has some serious get off.


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