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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:42 am 
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Charlie Weiss fired at Kansas. Brady Hoke probably soon to follow

Gunner Kiel, kid who snubbed Les Miles, I thought he was going to pull off a comeback with his performance heading into the half.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:47 am 
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Kiel looked great last night. Ohio State has some work to do in the secondary going in to conference play. Good news is, Barrett is growing up fast.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:12 pm 
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Kiel looked great last night. Ohio State has some work to do in the secondary going in to conference play. Good news is, Barrett is growing up fast.

Barrett has grown leaps just from the Navy game to now. Seriously...if Miller comes back next season, does he automatically get the job back? I'm not so sure.
Pass defense was the Buckeyes Achilles Heel last season...it hasn't gotten any better!

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:32 pm 
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Lot of youth on that Buckeye team. Offensive line and secondary are going to be a journey.

As to the Barrett/Miller question, I would look at the Tebow/Leak situation at Florida a few years back. Cam also shared duties there, as well, if I recall correctly. Someone a little more versed in SEC history (Knife? ) could probably shed a clearer light, but there's precedent for a shared responsibility plan.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:50 am 
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Kiel is/is going to be a very good one, and a 1st round pick if he stays in school another year.

But the wild card is how much do teams consider his flakiness and impatience, if at all, in considering his draft stock? I mean, how many different schools did he commit to?

Does anyone have other examples of how players with similar commitment and loyalty issues fared in the draft and in the NFL?

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:38 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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SteelKnife wrote:

Does anyone have other examples of how players with similar commitment and loyalty issues fared in the draft and in the NFL?


What does that even mean? Transfers? Or just snubbing a school that probably won't finish top 3 in its own conference?

Justin Brown for Steelers is a transfer. Phil Taylor from Browns. Both have NFL contracts.

Troy Aikmen left Oklahoma for UCLA.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Well today may have been the best day in the history of Mississippi football. State beats #6 Texas A&M and Ole Miss upsets #1 Alabama.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Yep...and it will only get better after LSU gets bent over.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Iron_City wrote:
SteelKnife wrote:

Does anyone have other examples of how players with similar commitment and loyalty issues fared in the draft and in the NFL?


What does that even mean? Transfers? Or just snubbing a school that probably won't finish top 3 in its own conference?

Justin Brown for Steelers is a transfer. Phil Taylor from Browns. Both have NFL contracts.

Troy Aikmen left Oklahoma for UCLA.


Wilson left NC State for Wisconson

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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jebrick wrote:
Iron_City wrote:
SteelKnife wrote:

Does anyone have other examples of how players with similar commitment and loyalty issues fared in the draft and in the NFL?


What does that even mean? Transfers? Or just snubbing a school that probably won't finish top 3 in its own conference?

Justin Brown for Steelers is a transfer. Phil Taylor from Browns. Both have NFL contracts.

Troy Aikmen left Oklahoma for UCLA.


Wilson left NC State for Wisconson


Not 100 percent accurate. Wilson graduated from NC State and went to Wisconsin for grad school and was allowed to play immediately because he earned his degree.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Charlie Weiss fired at Kansas. Brady Hoke probably soon to follow.

UM currently trailing Rutgers 26-17 in the 4th quarter. If that holds up, Hoke could be canned as soon as the plane lands in Ann Arbor.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Russell Wilson may have graduated from NC State, but many players graduate and play there final year as grad students. He didn't go to Wisconsin for his final year of eligibility because he was dying to get into their cheese making Masters program. He went there to play football.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Jobus Rum wrote:
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Charlie Weiss fired at Kansas. Brady Hoke probably soon to follow.

UM currently trailing Rutgers 26-17 in the 4th quarter. If that holds up, Hoke could be canned as soon as the plane lands in Ann Arbor.


The michigan powers that be should have been braced for a loss at Rutgers. Obvious dogs in that one.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Joe Flacco

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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Russell Wilson may have graduated from NC State, but many players graduate and play there final year as grad students. He didn't go to Wisconsin for his final year of eligibility because he was dying to get into their cheese making Masters program. He went there to play football.



He went to NC State to play football too. He just graduated faster than most football players. As you say he went to Wisconsin to play football which he would not be doing his last year at NC State. Mike Glennon was named the starter by O'brien and Wilson wanted to play ball not hold a clip board just because he was playing baseball and would miss some spring ball.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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stillthere wrote:
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Russell Wilson may have graduated from NC State, but many players graduate and play there final year as grad students. He didn't go to Wisconsin for his final year of eligibility because he was dying to get into their cheese making Masters program. He went there to play football.



He went to NC State to play football too. He just graduated faster than most football players. As you say he went to Wisconsin to play football which he would not be doing his last year at NC State. Mike Glennon was named the starter by O'brien and Wilson wanted to play ball not hold a clip board just because he was playing baseball and would miss some spring ball.


I get all that, but what about the other posters statement "Wilson left NC State for Wisconsin" is wrong? him being a grad student was irrelevant. he didn't have a good relationship with the coaches so he left.

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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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He had no commitment once he graduated. He didn't transfer while he was still committed to the team or just after he had committed to the team or school. He had 4 years of NCAA eligibility not 4 years of NC State eligibility.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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I am not saying it is wrong. The previous examples up the thread were Aikman, Justin Brown, Flacco, and whomever are a different situation. They all lost eligibility due to the choice they made.


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 Post subject: Re: CFB week 5
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without even researching. if you want to be ticky tacky, Justin Brown and Flacco lost no eligibility with their transfers. Flacco transferred down to a I-AA school and Brown got an exemption due to the PSU sanctions.

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