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 Post subject: Re: Steelers first round pick will be...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:12 pm 
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Ryan Shazier
Bud Dupree
Jarvis Jones
Artie Burns
I hate to do it TJ Watt

IMO I am willing to call all of them busts

I got it - yes I agree with you FC. As a group = bust. I will hold hope for Watt.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:31 pm 
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I like Rashaan Evans as well but im thinking about getting all aboard the Leighton Vander Esche train especially if shaziers career is over which it likely is.

I want to see how he runs, because I don't think he has the speed to fit what we need. Maybe he's faster than he looks. Great tackler, though.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I like Rashaan Evans as well but im thinking about getting all aboard the Leighton Vander Esche train especially if shaziers career is over which it likely is.

I want to see how he runs, because I don't think he has the speed to fit what we need. Maybe he's faster than he looks. Great tackler, though.




Most of the stuff im reading is that LVE is expected to be one of those guys that blows the combine up in which case he wont fall to us, but ya very interested to see his combine as well.


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I’m wondering if moving TJ Watt to ILB might not be the best thing moving forward.


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FC wrote:
Ryan Shazier
Bud Dupree
Jarvis Jones
Artie Burns
I hate to do it TJ Watt

IMO I am willing to call all of them busts
Too soon for Watt. Burns still has some learnin' to do. Bud Is a mystery. I've seen him double teamed, and I've seen him give up on plays. He's a question mark for me. And aside from questionable tackling techniques, Shazier was probably an all pro. IMHO.

And draft "picking" is cyclical. Sometimes you hit it big, sometimes you don't. Mounds marketing dept would approve.

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I don't think it's okay to call Shazier a bust. He had a career ending injury, but was a Pro Bowler.


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I don't think it's okay to call Shazier a bust. He had a career ending injury, but was a Pro Bowler.


Agree, Shazier's name should be nowhere near this group. Watt did some things very well for his rookie year. Too early to call him anything other than a rookie.

Alvin Dupree stinks. No way in hell he should get a contract #2. Jervis was the biggest bust in recent memory and Burns is trending toward nothing special as well.

Definitely not a great track record for round 1.


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Jervis was Huey Richardson-level bad. Golson was a pretty rough, too, though that was injury, and finding Hilton kinda made up for it.

I hope Burns and Davis can turn it around, but some of the quotes from Burns have been odd and concerning.

Hell, the jury is back into the room on Tuitt, in my opinion.

I can safely say I'm finally done with Dupree, as well, though as some have pointed out, he wasn't terrible in coverage this year when asked to play that role.

One of the things I wonder about is whether or not the player-picking or the coaching (positionally, at the very least) is at fault, which gets compounded on the scale of depressing when you look at the fact that LB and secondary are probably going to be high on the priority list again this April. Do we pump more high picks at the same coaches and expect better results?


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Jervis was Huey Richardson-level bad. Golson was a pretty rough, too, though that was injury, and finding Hilton kinda made up for it.

I hope Burns and Davis can turn it around, but some of the quotes from Burns have been odd and concerning.

Hell, the jury is back into the room on Tuitt, in my opinion.

I can safely say I'm finally done with Dupree, as well, though as some have pointed out, he wasn't terrible in coverage this year when asked to play that role.

One of the things I wonder about is whether or not the player-picking or the coaching (positionally, at the very least) is at fault, which gets compounded on the scale of depressing when you look at the fact that LB and secondary are probably going to be high on the priority list again this April. Do we pump more high picks at the same coaches and expect better results?




We shouldnt, but we will. My prediction on 1st rnd pick is someone with talent, that our coaching staff will turn into a turd.


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I'm starting to think we should just start picking Alabama players. They're mostly maxed-out, coached up what you see is what you get players. Less chance for Lake and Porter to ruin them.


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I'm starting to think we should just start picking Alabama players. They're mostly maxed-out, coached up what you see is what you get players. Less chance for Lake and Porter to ruin them.




and Tomlin..his fingerprints are on this defense more than anyone elses


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True. I guess I'm partial to blaming position coaches for the lack of player development, and the coordinator and head coach for the more global failures.


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I'm warming up to the LB from South Carolina State, Darius Leonard. Could be there on the 2nd day. Hopefully, end of the 2nd RND? I'm sure how he tests will determine where. MEAC defensive player of the year second year in a row. Thoughts?


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I'm warming up to the LB from South Carolina State, Darius Leonard. Could be there on the 2nd day. Hopefully, end of the 2nd RND? I'm sure how he tests will determine where. MEAC defensive player of the year second year in a row. Thoughts?


Be interesting to see how he tests out. I could see anywhere from mid-2nd to 4th at this point. Nice highlight reel, low LOC, starting to acquire some buzz already.

Speaking of which, Tremaine Edmunds seems to be already well out of range at 1.28.


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What the mockers say and what happens on draft day is generally very different. For most of these drafts they do not look at historical data on what positions get picked the most. From 10 to 24 I will bet that 80% of those picks will be passrushers(EDGE and DT) and CBs. QB, OT and perhaps a WR will be scattered in there to fill out the other 20%( I would never take a WR in the 1st round but their mileage may vary).

I still like Esch on his football smarts. I would be quite happy with that pick. I am sure NE is looking at him.

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True. I guess I'm partial to blaming position coaches for the lack of player development, and the coordinator and head coach for the more global failures.




thats fair


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What the mockers say and what happens on draft day is generally very different. For most of these drafts they do not look at historical data on what positions get picked the most. From 10 to 24 I will bet that 80% of those picks will be passrushers(EDGE and DT) and CBs. QB, OT and perhaps a WR will be scattered in there to fill out the other 20%( I would never take a WR in the 1st round but their mileage may vary).

I still like Esch on his football smarts. I would be quite happy with that pick. I am sure NE is looking at him.


I look at the height/weight/speed/explosiveness possibilities with Edmunds, and I could see him getting flexed to a couple of different positions, and that kind of versatility could definitely shoot him upwards of pick 28, sadly.


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If we could end up with Esch and Penny after the 1st 2 rounds id be happier than a pig in mud. Perhaps we could also do a sign and trade of Lev Bell and pick up another 1st


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Ice wrote:
jebrick wrote:
What the mockers say and what happens on draft day is generally very different. For most of these drafts they do not look at historical data on what positions get picked the most. From 10 to 24 I will bet that 80% of those picks will be passrushers(EDGE and DT) and CBs. QB, OT and perhaps a WR will be scattered in there to fill out the other 20%( I would never take a WR in the 1st round but their mileage may vary).

I still like Esch on his football smarts. I would be quite happy with that pick. I am sure NE is looking at him.


I look at the height/weight/speed/explosiveness possibilities with Edmunds, and I could see him getting flexed to a couple of different positions, and that kind of versatility could definitely shoot him upwards of pick 28, sadly.


If he runs the 40 as what they are predicting ( 4.7-4.9) I will be stunned if he does not fall into the Steeler's range. His last recorded 40 is 4.8. His play recognition is like Shazier, which is to say poor. Shazier had 4.3 speed to make up for that false step. Unless he blows up the combine( like Shazier) I just do not see him taken in the teens.

for reference, Shazier was predicted to run between 4.4 and 4.5. he ran a 4.38

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Fair enough. Underwear Olympics, for good or ill, can be decisive. Will definitely take a look at this Esch kid, as somebody coming in with football smarts, won't be as susceptible to the poor positional coaching we currently have on offer at LB.


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Leonard weighed in at 6'2", 229 today. Passed my size test, I had read somewhere that he was at 215lbs. Now he needs to pass the speed test.

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Leonard weighed in at 6'2", 229 today. Passed my size test, I had read somewhere that he was at 215lbs. Now he needs to pass the speed test.

That's still awfully small for anything but dime backer.

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Shaz was 6'1", 237 coming out of tOSU. No such thing as an apples to apples player comp just based on height/weight, but similar at least.


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I think Shazier was playing around 230-235

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Leonard weighed in at 6'2", 229 today. Passed my size test, I had read somewhere that he was at 215lbs. Now he needs to pass the speed test.

That's still awfully small for anything but dime backer.

I don't disagree with you, but I was hoping for a measurement of 6'2" 230 when I watched his film. Then I read about him playing smaller and I flagged him as a size question mark. He will have have more time to really refine his body and add 10-15 now that he is out of school.

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