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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:39 pm 
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How about that Crosby comes through

Tough win!


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How about that Crosby comes through

Tough win!

Much needed win.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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Pens never had the lead until the last shot/last second. Huge 2 points.

The Pens were much better defensively tonight. Happy for Jarry because those were fluky goals that went in against him.


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Jobus Rum wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
How about that Crosby comes through

Tough win!

Much needed win.

yes! thank goodness


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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fractalsteel wrote:
Pens never had the lead until the last shot/last second. Huge 2 points.

The Pens were much better defensively tonight. Happy for Jarry because those were fluky goals that went in against him.


Right....both Isles goals, wicked flukes. Penguins were dominating this game, especially 1st period.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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Penguins 37-29.

Flyers 34-31.

Yet the Flyers are ahead in the standings.

GET RID OF THE GODDAM EXTRA POINT FOR OT GAMES!

IT’S MORONIC NOW THAT GAMES CAN’T END IN A TIE!

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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Pens never had the lead until the last shot/last second. Huge 2 points.

The Pens were much better defensively tonight. Happy for Jarry because those were fluky goals that went in against him.

I'm not going to say it was ONLY benching Hunwick, but without him the pairings and defensive play on the back end was a lot better/cleaner. Ruh played very well, I thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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Jeemie wrote:
Penguins 37-29.

Flyers 34-31.

Yet the Flyers are ahead in the standings.

GET RID OF THE GODDAM EXTRA POINT FOR OT GAMES!

IT’S MORONIC NOW THAT GAMES CAN’T END IN A TIE!

It's fine... just award 3 points for a regulation win.

118 for Washington, 115 for the Pens, 113 for Philly. Better representation for the results.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Penguins 37-29.

Flyers 34-31.

Yet the Flyers are ahead in the standings.

GET RID OF THE GODDAM EXTRA POINT FOR OT GAMES!

IT’S MORONIC NOW THAT GAMES CAN’T END IN A TIE!

It's fine... just award 3 points for a regulation win.

118 for Washington, 115 for the Pens, 113 for Philly. Better representation for the results.


Anything that gets rid of the extra point being created out of thin air just because the game went into OT.

Although the Caps are 37-28 and the Pens are 37-29...under your method that translates out to the Caps being three points better (one extra win). I suppose that’s OK if you look at it from a loss column perspective, but I’d rather cut out the counting points crap to begin with and just go by standings.

Although- if the Caps were then to lose another game, both they and the Pens would be 37-29...and the Caps would STILL be three points ahead.

I don’t believe a team should get credit for just making the game go to OT. A win is a win.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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I don't know shit about hockey, but....I'm okay with the current system of awarding a point for a overtime loss, but honestly, can't clearly explain my thought process.

I think it has to do with the tie game being so much more a part of hockey than any other major sport, and the rules put in place to eliminate ties, particularly the shootout, but even 4-on-4, and now 3-on-3, are such a departure from the game that's played for 60 minutes.

My being okay with it then...and I'm typing as I'm thinking, always a dangerous practice, is that a team played for a tie during that 60 minute time frame where hockey is played as it was intended. I do know that watching the Penguins every game this season on nhl TV, I always take some comfort when a game is winding down its final seconds tied, know that the Pens will come out with a point. Granted, I'm not thinking about the Flyers or Caps accumulating that point more often than the Pens.

Did a little research....always assumed that regular season OT was a relatively new development, coming into play in '83, then shootouts added in '05. However, OT existed until '42 when it was suspended due to restrictions on train scheduling during wartime.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/gallery/t ... ory-031715

Also, just now noticing that Cryers are 2-6 in shootouts and NHL clearly treats shootout wins/losses differently than regulation or overtime.


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Big win, exciting win!

Amazed the Rue made such a big difference. I guess Hunwick is that bad. They have a problem if they keep playing him.


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Jobus Rum wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
How about that Crosby comes through

Tough win!

Much needed win.

yes!! definitely...


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Suwanee88 wrote:
Big win, exciting win!

Amazed the Rue made such a big difference. I guess Hunwick is that bad. They have a problem if they keep playing him.



He is.

11 of 17 goals against he was once the ice in that 3 game losing streak.

The second part of JR's terrible offseason. Fortunately, like Reaves before him, the Penguins can hit him up with a healthy scratch. To think, if JR wouldn't have done a damn thing this offseason in regards to acquisitions, this team would still has Cole as depth.

What also helped in the game yesterday was Sullivan actually made a decent 4th line. Surprising!


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
Big win, exciting win!

Amazed the Rue made such a big difference. I guess Hunwick is that bad. They have a problem if they keep playing him.



He is.

11 of 17 goals against he was once the ice in that 3 game losing streak.

The second part of JR's terrible offseason. Fortunately, like Reaves before him, the Penguins can hit him up with a healthy scratch. To think, if JR wouldn't have done a damn thing this offseason in regards to acquisitions, this team would still has Cole as depth.

What also helped in the game yesterday was Sullivan actually made a decent 4th line. Surprising!


Sheahan and Sheary had chemistry when they were part of the 3rd line. Kuhn is acceptable playing 3rd wheel in that spot but would of course rather have Zar or sprong in his spot

Defense concerns me more than anything, but hopefully ruh fixes it


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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What concerns me most is how Sidney Crosby looks like a 45-year-old father taking a Saturday skate with his son out there. I think I can cut my turns harder than he has been at this point, and I haven't skated in 5 years. I'm really hoping he's cruising and saving himself for the playoffs.

This stretch reminds me a lot of the Pens 2 years ago under Sullivan. They've had significant roster turnover in that every line is pretty new since the TDL. It took about five games for the team to "adjust" to Sullivan as their coach two years ago. With a new third line center, backup goalies in, transitions on D without Cole, and a new feel to every line, this team needs to build some chemistry and continuity. Hopefully we've seen the last of Hunwick and Rowney.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs. Isles
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I think Crosby is nursing his energy.

49 extra games in the last two years...it takes a toll.

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Jeemie wrote:
I think Crosby is nursing his energy.

49 extra games in the last two years...it takes a toll.


22 goals in 66 games isn't good enough for the best player in the world. His shot average is down and he hasn't taken many games over this year like he has done consistently in the past.

If he is 'nursing' his energy then he is cheating his team mates.
And what about Malkin and Kessel?
Kessel carried this team early on when the other two franchise pieces were struggling(or in Crosby's case nursing it). Now Malkin has been the hottest player in the league for over two months and he is getting MVP chatter for it.
How come they aren't 'nursing' it?
Malkin and Kessel played just as many extra games the past two seasons and Kessel hasn't missed a game in years.

The Pens are in a playoff race with two teams that don't look like they will falter. We need Crosby, our best player, to play better if we are to over take Philly and Washington.


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fractalsteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
I think Crosby is nursing his energy.

49 extra games in the last two years...it takes a toll.


22 goals in 66 games isn't good enough for the best player in the world. His shot average is down and he hasn't taken many games over this year like he has done consistently in the past.

If he is 'nursing' his energy then he is cheating his team mates.
And what about Malkin and Kessel?
Kessel carried this team early on when the other two franchise pieces were struggling(or in Crosby's case nursing it). Now Malkin has been the hottest player in the league for over two months and he is getting MVP chatter for it.
How come they aren't 'nursing' it?
Malkin and Kessel played just as many extra games the past two seasons and Kessel hasn't missed a game in years.

The Pens are in a playoff race with two teams that don't look like they will falter. We need Crosby, our best player, to play better if we are to over take Philly and Washington.


Fair points, but Sid's game has always been borne from digging pucks out of the corners or going to the dirty areas with high traffic. Last month when we were all wringing our hands about the Pens possibly falling out of a playoff picture he turned the jets on. Now that we've solidified our spot, I think he's trying to conserve energy and avoid the unnecessary punishment of the regular season.

He'll be fine. His track record indicates as such


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I guess we see it differently to a degree.

I know this though, if Malkin only had 22 goals in 66 games there would be a flood of voices on this board ostracizing his play.

And the Pens resurgence towards the playoffs since January has been fueled more so by Malkin than any other player on the team.


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fractalsteel wrote:
I guess we see it differently to a degree.

I know this though, if Malkin only had 22 goals in 66 games there would be a flood of voices on this board ostracizing his play.

And the Pens resurgence towards the playoffs since January has been fueled more so by Malkin than any other player on the team.


Eh, Malkin's slumps are often accompanied by horrible penalties and moronic play, which is where I think a lot of the anger comes from. He goes from being arguable the most dangerous player in the world at his best, to arguably being a detriment to the team at his worst.

Sid goes from being the best in the world to just being human for stretches.


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fractalsteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
I think Crosby is nursing his energy.

49 extra games in the last two years...it takes a toll.


22 goals in 66 games isn't good enough for the best player in the world. His shot average is down and he hasn't taken many games over this year like he has done consistently in the past.

If he is 'nursing' his energy then he is cheating his team mates.
And what about Malkin and Kessel?
Kessel carried this team early on when the other two franchise pieces were struggling(or in Crosby's case nursing it). Now Malkin has been the hottest player in the league for over two months and he is getting MVP chatter for it.
How come they aren't 'nursing' it?
Malkin and Kessel played just as many extra games the past two seasons and Kessel hasn't missed a game in years.

The Pens are in a playoff race with two teams that don't look like they will falter. We need Crosby, our best player, to play better if we are to over take Philly and Washington.


Flyers have now lost three in a row, and while they were winning before, they were against slightly lesser teams and they weren’t looking like world-beatersin those wins.

They may indeed falter.

Washington is 4-5 in its last nine. Who knows with them?

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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
I guess we see it differently to a degree.

I know this though, if Malkin only had 22 goals in 66 games there would be a flood of voices on this board ostracizing his play.

And the Pens resurgence towards the playoffs since January has been fueled more so by Malkin than any other player on the team.


Eh, Malkin's slumps are often accompanied by horrible penalties and moronic play, which is where I think a lot of the anger comes from. He goes from being arguable the most dangerous player in the world at his best, to arguably being a detriment to the team at his worst.

Sid goes from being the best in the world to just being human for stretches.


I can agree with some of this to a degree.
What irks me is the notion that Crosby might be saving himself for the playoff run. I don't know if it is true or not but we need Crosby at his best right now.
And let's be honest about this season until now-Kessel carried the team until January then Malkin took over and played what is most likely the best two month period of his career.

Looking back at the last two Cup runs it has been 81/87 and 71 who carried the load(along with a few periphery guys as well). It's not like Crosby went Lemieux during either run.


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fractalsteel wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
I guess we see it differently to a degree.

I know this though, if Malkin only had 22 goals in 66 games there would be a flood of voices on this board ostracizing his play.

And the Pens resurgence towards the playoffs since January has been fueled more so by Malkin than any other player on the team.


Eh, Malkin's slumps are often accompanied by horrible penalties and moronic play, which is where I think a lot of the anger comes from. He goes from being arguable the most dangerous player in the world at his best, to arguably being a detriment to the team at his worst.

Sid goes from being the best in the world to just being human for stretches.


I can agree with some of this to a degree.
What irks me is the notion that Crosby might be saving himself for the playoff run. I don't know if it is true or not but we need Crosby at his best right now.
And let's be honest about this season until now-Kessel carried the team until January then Malkin took over and played what is most likely the best two month period of his career.

Looking back at the last two Cup runs it has been 81/87 and 71 who carried the load(along with a few periphery guys as well). It's not like Crosby went Lemieux during either run.


Yeah, I definitely don't think he's "saving himself" or anything like that.

And like I've said before, I don't buy the "tired because of too many games over the past 3 seasons" one bit. Like you mentioned, that doesn't seem to be affecting Malkin or Kessel at all. And if Kessel isn't playing tired, I don't know how the hell a guy with Sid's training regimen could be.

And had we last in the playoffs last year a round or two earlier last season, no one would be suggesting that fatigue is a factor. So do those 14 games make that much of a difference? I highly doubt it.


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