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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:44 pm 
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That overturn was just another example where replay adheres to the letter of the rule but completely fucking violates the spirit of the rule. Replay is ruining sports. I much prefer the way the games used to be when we just had to live with some occasional human error from officials.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:24 pm 
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I don't get all the hand wringing over the off sides.
The Pens just shut down a very skilled team and held them to one goal. Our back up back up tender played very well and the Pens came away with 2 valuable points.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:32 pm 
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That overturn was just another example where replay adheres to the letter of the rule but completely fucking violates the spirit of the rule. Replay is ruining sports. I much prefer the way the games used to be when we just had to live with some occasional human error from officials.

Well said...I could not agree more!

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:36 pm 
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SteelPro wrote:
That overturn was just another example where replay adheres to the letter of the rule but completely fucking violates the spirit of the rule. Replay is ruining sports. I much prefer the way the games used to be when we just had to live with some occasional human error from officials.


Quite possible that without replay overturning a carbon copy of that call the Penguins are not back-to-back Stanley Cup champions. Should Drouin’s goal have counted in ECF Game 6 in 2016? Tampa gets a 1-0 lead- quite possibly that game unfolds differently and it’s Lightning winning in six.

Hockey replay is just fine. It’s not like they spend 25 minutes splitting hairs.

Limited places they can use it and 99% of the time, IMO, they get it right.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:47 pm 
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fractalsteel wrote:
I don't get all the hand wringing over the off sides.
The Pens just shut down a very skilled team and held them to one goal. Our back up back up tender played very well and the Pens came away with 2 valuable points.


New to the gameday threads?

If folks didn't have something to bitch about, then they wouldn't even know what to say.

The Pens could be skating the stanley cup around the rink immediately after winning it and some of the pissy-pants posters here would be bitching about what order with which the players got to carry the cup.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:59 pm 
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
I don't get all the hand wringing over the off sides.
The Pens just shut down a very skilled team and held them to one goal. Our back up back up tender played very well and the Pens came away with 2 valuable points.


New to the gameday threads?

If folks didn't have something to bitch about, then they wouldn't even know what to say.

The Pens could be skating the stanley cup around the rink immediately after winning it and some of the pissy-pants posters here would be bitching about what order with which the players got to carry the cup.


Pretty much why I don't post much on the football side. The animosity b/n certain posters is insane like ordering a coach that just went 13-3 to be murdered.
Anyway I get it is easier to focus on the negative rather than the positive. That said, the Pens were much better defensively last night. Crosby was very active-looking for his shot(my main complaint with him recently is that he isn't shooting enough).

I get it for the record.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:56 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
That overturn was just another example where replay adheres to the letter of the rule but completely fucking violates the spirit of the rule. Replay is ruining sports. I much prefer the way the games used to be when we just had to live with some occasional human error from officials.


Quite possible that without replay overturning a carbon copy of that call the Penguins are not back-to-back Stanley Cup champions. Should Drouin’s goal have counted in ECF Game 6 in 2016? Tampa gets a 1-0 lead- quite possibly that game unfolds differently and it’s Lightning winning in six.

Hockey replay is just fine. It’s not like they spend 25 minutes splitting hairs.

Limited places they can use it and 99% of the time, IMO, they get it right.


Yes. IMO Drouin's goal should have counted. Without review not a single person watching would have had any beef with the goal Drouin scored or the goal the Pens had last night. It takes an eagle eye by some technical sleuth working in some booth to even raise it as an issue. It is just like in baseball when a guy clearly swipes a bag but gets banged out on a replay by a technicality that he lost contact with the bag by a c*nt hair. It is fucking up the games. Should hockey really be removing goals that happen many seconds after an infraction that is so slight it has be discovered on a super slow motion replay? I think it is dumb and bad for the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:02 pm 
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SteelPro wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
That overturn was just another example where replay adheres to the letter of the rule but completely fucking violates the spirit of the rule. Replay is ruining sports. I much prefer the way the games used to be when we just had to live with some occasional human error from officials.


Quite possible that without replay overturning a carbon copy of that call the Penguins are not back-to-back Stanley Cup champions. Should Drouin’s goal have counted in ECF Game 6 in 2016? Tampa gets a 1-0 lead- quite possibly that game unfolds differently and it’s Lightning winning in six.

Hockey replay is just fine. It’s not like they spend 25 minutes splitting hairs.

Limited places they can use it and 99% of the time, IMO, they get it right.


Yes. IMO Drouin's goal should have counted. Without review not a single person watching would have had any beef with the goal Drouin scored or the goal the Pens had last night. It takes an eagle eye by some technical sleuth working in some booth to even raise it as an issue. It is just like in baseball when a guy clearly swipes a bag but gets banged out on a replay by a technicality that he lost contact with the bag by a c*nt hair. It is fucking up the games. Should hockey really be removing goals that happen many seconds after an infraction that is so slight it has be discovered on a super slow motion replay? I think it is dumb and bad for the game.


You mean Dumolin's goal? I was doing some work on my laptop during that game and was only a quarter paying attention, but my understanding was that it wasn't overturned to be a goal because they called it a goalie interference penalty before the goal was actually scored. Which, in itself is a bad call, but not review-able because penalties aren't review-able.

Was that how they called it, or was I not paying attention enough?


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:52 pm 
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
Yes. IMO Drouin's goal should have counted. Without review not a single person watching would have had any beef with the goal Drouin scored or the goal the Pens had last night. It takes an eagle eye by some technical sleuth working in some booth to even raise it as an issue. It is just like in baseball when a guy clearly swipes a bag but gets banged out on a replay by a technicality that he lost contact with the bag by a c*nt hair. It is fucking up the games. Should hockey really be removing goals that happen many seconds after an infraction that is so slight it has be discovered on a super slow motion replay? I think it is dumb and bad for the game.


You mean Dumolin's goal? I was doing some work on my laptop during that game and was only a quarter paying attention, but my understanding was that it wasn't overturned to be a goal because they called it a goalie interference penalty before the goal was actually scored. Which, in itself is a bad call, but not review-able because penalties aren't review-able.

Was that how they called it, or was I not paying attention enough?


No I was comparing Drouin’s goal for Tampa in game 6 of the ECF that was overturned because Tampa was offside by every bit as much as Malkin was offside last night.

I don’t have a problem with such overturns...they don’t happen all that much...certainly not so much to raise a fuss over it.

I can see Pro’s POV even though I don’t agree with it, but yesterday other people weren’t even arguing that. They were trying to argue Malkin wasn’t offside when he clearly was.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Stars 3-11-18
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:14 pm 
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Dumo’s goal on Saturday was just a bad call.

The offsides calls are tougher for me because here I see technology aiding the fault of the human eye; if we have the ability to make a call as a matter of fact (as in, replay can show “yes, the ball crossed the plane” or “yes, the player was offsides”), shouldn’t we use technology to correct our deficiencies? I think we do.

IIRC, SCF game one last season against Nashville, didn’t we challenge and win an offsides call in Nashville’s first goal? I seem to recall it being very similar in that it focused in on the player’s feet leaving the ice.

We challenge, we win, we win that game then win in 6, rest is history.


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